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4/28/2005 4:07:54 AM EDT
Just another question overflowing from my previous post.  If I take my Remington 870 and remove the buttstock, then install a pistol grip and get the Form 1 approved for a 12-1/2" barrel, can I register it as an AOW?  I know I would never be able to put a buttstock on it, but I don't plan to anyway.  Can it be registered like that, or does it have to have come from the factory with a pistol grip installed?

Thanks, just trying to do this on a budget.  The AOW tax of $5 sounds a lot better to me than the SBS tax of $200, especially since I'm never going to have a buttstock on it anyway!

4/28/2005 8:21:10 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm not sure, but I think the $5 AOW tax is only for transfers of already manufactured AOWs and the tax for manufacturing a new AOW is $200.  I could be mistaken, of course.
4/28/2005 9:03:18 AM EDT
[#2]
Yeah, somebody informed me of that in my other thread.  Too bad, I thought I found a way I could afford to do it right now.

4/28/2005 9:17:47 AM EDT
[#3]
Since its gonna cost you $200 either way, a much more reasonable option is to go the SBS route.  But if you really want an AOW why not sell the shotgun you plan to cut down and just buy an already made AOW.  I think it would be cheaper in the long run because then its only a $5 fee to transfer.
4/28/2005 10:15:35 AM EDT
[#4]
The other thing is just to find an already converted AOW.  They don't seem to be too costly (at least the one's I've seen).

R.
4/28/2005 12:52:26 PM EDT
[#5]
I've seen new Mossberg 590 AOW's for sale for $495.  Even if a used one is half that, it's still cheaper to pay the $200 and convert what I have now.  I'll have to see what toys I can part with to get the cash.
5/2/2005 5:13:21 PM EDT
[#6]
You were right the 2nd time.  AOW is the general classification for the firearm, but for shotguns at that are AOWs, they are technically considered "Smooth Bore Pistols."  To be an AOW, the host shotgun receiver CANNOT have ever exiisted as a shoulder-fired weapon.  A bare receiver is fine or a factory pistol-grip only shotgun like a Mossberg Cruiser.  Remington AOWs are very hard to find as AOWs (unless registered by Remington at the time of manufacture and there are a few out there) because they don't produce a non-buttstocked 870 and don't sell bare receivers.  An SBS or Short-Barrelled Shotgun is an existing shoulder-fired (buttstocked) shotgun that has the barrel cut to below 18".  That's the difference between the two.

The catch here is that all Form 1 registrations are $200, the Form 1 is an Application to Make A Firearm and the tax is $200 regardless of whether it's an SBS or an AOW.  Form 4's (Application to Transfer A Firearm) are a $200 Transfer Tax for an SBS, but only $5 Transfer Tax for an AOW.  The Form 4 is for selling/buying an existing SBS or AOW (or MG or suppressor or DD), not for making one.

So, it really is more economic to buy either buy an existing AOW shotgun on the $5 tax or make an SBS on the Form 1 with the $200 tax because you will be buying a lot more versatility that an AOW.  Once the shotgun becomes an SBS, you can alwsy just remove the buttstock and have the same shotgun as the AOW, but you'll have the legal ability to put the stock back on or sling it under an AR-15 (like a Masterkey).  An AOW shotgun cannot have a buttock or be attached to any other firearm that has a buttstock.
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