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Posted: 5/7/2004 1:35:41 AM EDT
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Has anyone found a way to do this without grinding them off? Should I just grind them off? Thanks. Digital |
Both of these methods work just fine. A lot of gunsmiths have a tool that pushes them back out.  MAGAZINE TUBE DENT RAISER |
I picked up a Vang Comp 2-shot extension & I guess the shells will hang on the dimples. So it's just as simple as drilling them out? It's that easy? |
I'm sure this is a dumb question, but why not? It would seem that the only diff after drilling the dimples is that every time you take the barrel off you'd have to remove the mag spring & follower (i.e. the spring retainer just wouldn't work any more). ETA: See this thread on Shotgunworld. |
I've tried smaller drill bits and ran into problems. If the drill bit is to small you wont get all of the dimple out and run into feeding problems. I found 1/4" to be perfect in all three of my guns. A 1/4" bit was recommended by a very reputable gunsmith. |
| I have to disagree with Faris about being able to go back to a regular magazine length after drilling. You can easily put the regular magazine spring back in, the regular magazine cap back on, and have a regular length magazine. The only problem will be that the spring will pop out as soon as you unscrew the cap instead of the spring being held in place as it was before you drilled out the detents. Although I don't know why you would want to go back. |
| You can always take the extension back off and put the older style magazine spring retainer in. www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=0860z870 part # 45 |
How can you tell that's the old style? Not sure I can tell from the schematic on the page. |
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By "Can't go back to the standard mag" I meant you can't just reassemble the Express-type magazine retainer system. Second, the magazine cap will tend to vibrate loose, since there's no plastic retainer, nor does the Express have the spring-loaded plunger of the Wingmaster and Police models. If you tighten the magazine cap down TIGHT, or install a Wingmaster/Police spring and plunger you can, of course, use the standard mag, but if you go this route, you also have to buy an old-style magazine cap. The Express cap won't work with the Wingmaster/Police spring and plunger. schapman43: Six of one, half a dozen.......I've just had better luck with the recommended 3/16" drill. Other than a possibility of shells handing up on the larger 1/4" holes, I'd use what works for you. "How extremely annoying of Remington" Remember, the Express was intended to be a SPORTING shotgun that could compete with the much cheaper to make cast aluminum and stamped parts Winchester and Mossberg. Since Remington uses a forged and milled STEEL receiver, the gun just plain COSTS more to make than the cheaper guns. In order to bring the price down to a competitive range, Remington had to eliminate as much hand-labor and machine work as possible. The plastic magazine assembly of the Express simply costs less to make than the Wingmaster and Police assembly. For the same reason, the Express has the rougher, cheaper blued finish, the plastic trigger unit, and the plastic or hard wood stocks. Remington figured that people wanting the cheapest Remington possible, would buy a sporting Express, those wanting a high class sporting gun would buy the Wingmaster, and people wanting a combat gun would buy the Police. To be fair, Remington does make an 18" barrel gun they used to call the "Home Defense" model, and they offer it in an uncatalogued version with the factory extension mounted. |
the older express retainer has a split in it like the one in the schematic. Simply is a pressure fit in the end of the tube and will work with the new express spring and shell limiter |
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Just drilled out the dimples in my 870, installed a Vang Comp hi-viz follower and a VC 2-shot extension tube. I used the 3/16 bit, but it didn't quite take out enough of the dimple, so I went up to a 1/4 bit. Then I had to do a bit of filing on the remnants of the dimples and the rough edges of the holes. It worked great! Now I've got myself a tac shotty - next I'll take it to the range for a full evaluation. ETA: Here's a pic.  Thanks for all the help here. |
Plastic trigger units? Wow, I didn't know the Express models were built that way. I've never owned an Express model. My 1994-94 vintage 11-87 Special Purpose has the new style mag spring retainer. I assumed everything since that era had the new style. Which type of retainer do the current 870 Wingmasters and 11-87s have? |
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Digital, Did you get a new shotgun? What kind of set up do you have? I have an SBE and it shoots great. I usaally shoot it while I'm out duck hunting. I have a few other guns, but since this is and open forum I will not post up what I have. Later Mallardsalyer[  ps. Go to bed!!! Get off this puter and quit buying chit on the internet.  |
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