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Posted: 8/1/2003 9:07:11 AM EDT
Good price?

Link Posted: 8/1/2003 5:27:34 PM EDT
NEW?
Link Posted: 8/1/2003 5:42:23 PM EDT
No, but excellent condition. The seller says they have been sitting in the armory instead of the squad cars.

When I emailed him asking if they were preban - he never responded, so...
Link Posted: 8/1/2003 6:53:19 PM EDT

Ummm. Pre ban. These type of shotguns are not pre or post ban . Not regulated as they are not considered an assault weapon. but they were purchased by the department prior to 94.


This is the exact wording of the seller's response.
Link Posted: 8/1/2003 7:05:13 PM EDT
New in the box on gunsamerica.com $644.00 without the pistol grip. Pistol grip + extended mag = assault weapon. I would say yes if in very good condition. MIKE.
Link Posted: 8/1/2003 7:07:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mike103:
New in the box on gunsamerica.com $644.00 without the pistol grip. Pistol grip + extended mag = assault weapon. I would say yes if in very good condition. MIKE.



Thank you.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 4:55:17 AM EDT
Heard the 11-87 couldn't handle game loads. So if I wanted to put 2 and 3/4 shell in there it would most likely not cycle. Is this true or an 11-87 myth.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 5:55:07 AM EDT
Myth, I shoot every Wednesday with a guy who has a 3" chamber 11-87 that he uses for skeet. It swallows the cheap Federal ammo every time. MIKE.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 6:04:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2003 6:06:14 AM EDT by photoman]

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Ummm. Pre ban. These type of shotguns are not pre or post ban . Not regulated as they are not considered an assault weapon. but they were purchased by the department prior to 94.


This is the exact wording of the seller's response.



Than they would be pre-ban. Does the mag hold more than 5 rounds? NEway I would try to get something saying they were purchased in that config prior to 94. Than everything would be more than A-ok from a CYA standpoint.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 12:10:26 PM EDT
The police models have the gas system set up to only run reliably with slugs and buckshot....they will work with heavy field loads though.

That is a good price on them especially if they are preban.
Link Posted: 8/4/2003 12:41:38 PM EDT
These are not pre-ban. Checked out the serial no. with Remington. 1996.

Called the local ATF and verified that these were illegal as configured in civilian hands.

So, is $550 a good price for post-ban? (Of course, I'd have to take the pistol grip stock off and replace it with regular buttstock).
Link Posted: 8/4/2003 5:45:33 PM EDT
Back to top $644.00 new in box on Gunsamerica.com MIKE.
Link Posted: 8/12/2003 10:07:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By photoman:
Than they would be pre-ban. Does the mag hold more than 5 rounds? NEway I would try to get something saying they were purchased in that config prior to 94. Than everything would be more than A-ok from a CYA standpoint.



Here is the problem with "pre ban" versus "post ban" shotguns, especially for Benellis. A semi Auto is considered a "pre ban" if it was in a "banned" condition prior to '94. What makes a semi auto a "banned" weapon? It must have MORE than one of the following features ON OR BEFORE THE BAN TOOK EFFECT:
Folding/telescoping stock
Protruding pistol grip
Detachable magazine capacity
Fixed magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds

So, even a Benelli made in 1991, with a 7 round magazine, but a standard buttstock, is NOT a pre ban shotgun, at least as far as the ATF is concerned. It did not have more than one of the features on the list as of effective date of the ban. Now, a Benelli made the same year, with the same magazine capacity, but a pistol grip buttstock, IS a pre ban shotgun. This also means that all 1100's, 11-87's, etc, etc, are all effectively "post ban" guns now, regardless of when they were made, and you cannot (legally) put a pistol grip butt stock on them

Now, I believe that the burden of proof would reside with the ATF to prove that the shotgun was NOT in a banned condition prior to 1994 (this is still America, right?) But, is that a fight you want to wage? Don't cheat or lie, the government hates competition......
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 9:27:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2003 9:36:45 PM EDT by cms81586]
If I recall correctly there was a separate section of the crime bill that specifically talked about shotguns.

WOW I hate this web site but here ya go...

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunlaws/awb.asp

Scroll down past rifles and pistols and there ya go. Semi-auto shotgun with any of these features:
-Folding/telescoping stock
-Protruding pistol grip
-Detachable magazine
-Fixed magazine with capacity exceding 5 rounds
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 10:48:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cms81586:
If I recall correctly there was a separate section of the crime bill that specifically talked about shotguns.

WOW I hate this web site but here ya go...

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunlaws/awb.asp

Scroll down past rifles and pistols and there ya go. Semi-auto shotgun with any of these features:
-Folding/telescoping stock
-Protruding pistol grip
-Detachable magazine
-Fixed magazine with capacity exceding 5 rounds



Ok so now we have two conflicting statments on what is a pre ban shotty- your source says any of the features, Scollins source says more than one. my source says more than one as well.
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 8:22:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cms81586:
Scroll down past rifles and pistols and there ya go. Semi-auto shotgun with any of these features:
-Folding/telescoping stock
-Protruding pistol grip
-Detachable magazine
-Fixed magazine with capacity exceding 5 rounds



This is incorrect. They must have more than one ("at least two") to be an "assault weapon".
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 4:51:33 PM EDT
You mean the Brady Website got it wrong????
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