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Posted: 4/16/2003 1:33:42 PM EDT
Please someone correct me if I am wrong but the US military now uses Mossbergs exclusively, correct?
But they did used to use the Remington 870s. What were the specs of the Remington 870 military shotguns? What were there barrel lengths, stock, mag capacity, sights used, etc. Thanks in advance.
Link Posted: 4/16/2003 11:18:08 PM EDT
I believe they are moving to a Benelli semi-auto. Check the march/april issue of AMERICAN RIFLEMAN.
Link Posted: 4/17/2003 4:46:02 AM EDT
The US military establishment has scads of 12ga. pumps of all different makes and models. I have personally seen Winchester M12's, old Savages, Win. 1300's, Rem 870's and Mossbergs in both M500 and M590 trim. These guns were purchased in small lots whenever it was felt some more shotguns were needed for whatever reason(s). Hopefully, many of these have been phased out...but don't bet on it. It would not surprise me too much if there are still a few M97 Winchesters in service somewhere.

The 4 or 5 870's I have seen were all, I believe, 20 in. barrels, cylinder bore, parkerized with walnut stocks and fore ends, standard everything, no mag extensions and I seem to recall that one had a barrel shroud/heat shield. They worked just fine, as almost all 870's do.
Link Posted: 4/17/2003 8:47:23 AM EDT
thanks for the info. it's just that recently have been watching the news coverage on the conflict in iraq and i see some of our soldiers with shotguns. some look like mossys but i do remember seeing somewhere we used to use 870s at one time.
Link Posted: 4/18/2003 1:04:45 AM EDT
ikor, you forgot to mention Ithaca Model 37s. I think Viet Nam was the last time they were used in service.

Remington 870s were in use as recently as Gulf War I.

Link Posted: 4/18/2003 2:55:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/18/2003 2:56:23 AM EDT by Lumpy196]
They're still out there. Ive seen Marines with Mossbergs. 870s are still in use with Marine Force Recon and SF:



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Link Posted: 4/21/2003 1:53:52 PM EDT
Big Bear, what is that on that 870 in that pic, how much are they, and where can I get one? Is that the Mk1?
Link Posted: 4/21/2003 1:58:09 PM EDT
Also what are the specs on that 870 in that pic? 28" barrel? How many shells does that mag extension hold? What kind of choke would be on it? Sorry for the questions but enquiring minds want to know.
Link Posted: 4/21/2003 2:10:36 PM EDT
Scattergun Technologies before they became part of Wilson Combat made a "Mil-Spec" 870 just like the one in Big Bears pic.

They might be a source of info or parts.
Link Posted: 4/22/2003 12:18:07 AM EDT
Sturmpioneer, yeah that's a Mk 1, and if you can't tell by the haircut, that's a US Marine holding it. This Mk 1 has a 21" barrel with rifle sights and +3 extension... mag tube holds 7 rounds. Probably has a fixed IC choke. Folding stock in the pic is open. AFAIK, the device between barrel and extension is just a clamp for rigidity, and if it has any other function, I'm not aware of it.
Link Posted: 4/22/2003 1:37:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:
the device between barrel and extension is just a clamp for rigidity, and if it has any other function, I'm not aware of it.



Look closely. Its a bayo lug
Link Posted: 4/22/2003 9:03:22 AM EDT
So it has a folding stock, but is that one of the top folding or side folding variety? Like the factory Remington "For Law Enforcement Only" top folding stocks? Are Mk1 clamp pieces available for sale? If so, how much do they generally run?
Link Posted: 4/22/2003 9:10:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/22/2003 9:11:30 AM EDT by BrobeeBiter]
Hi All!

Hard to tell in the stock department (if we are refering to the young marine wielding the big bad extra-capacity 870)...the only clue I can see is the metal rod that extends forwards along the side of the reciever. This leads me to speculate that it is one of the Sage International telescoping stocks (check them out here:www.sageinternationalltd.com).

I have been trying to acquire one of these stocks for some time, however living in Canada seems to be a serious drawback for one of these...despite there being no canadian laws barring the stock! I would love to test drive one...*sigh*.

BrobeeBiter
Link Posted: 4/22/2003 10:44:14 PM EDT
So how much are those Mk1 bayo lug/sling attachment/barrel clamps worth?
Link Posted: 4/24/2003 10:20:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silence:

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:
the device between barrel and extension is just a clamp for rigidity, and if it has any other function, I'm not aware of it.



Look closely. Its a bayo lug


I didn't know that. Where does the bayonet mount, on the side? I'm trying to picture a M7 or M9 bayonet attached to it.
Link Posted: 4/24/2003 10:52:37 PM EDT
See where the sling is attached? - bayo lug just in front. The end of Remington mag extensions just happened to be tapered to the same diameter of an M16 flash hider.
Link Posted: 4/26/2003 7:38:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2003 7:49:06 AM EDT by gus]

Originally Posted By Sturmpioneer:
So how much are those Mk1 bayo lug/sling attachment/barrel clamps worth?




Apparently they are quite collectable:

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=587&item=2171131896&rd=1



Edited to add: The one on eBay might not be an actual Mk1 piece, and may be "a little" overpriced compared to a real Mk1 clamp.
Link Posted: 4/28/2003 4:23:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/28/2003 4:26:00 PM EDT by romancenturian1]
american shooter on the outdoor life network see: www.americanshooter.com did a piece on the new usmc benelli m4.

the usaf is still using winchesters, remington 870s and mossberg 500 and 590s. depends on the base and the catm shop on what they have.

also, a lot of army bases are using the shotgun as a cover weapon on the gates. makes sense as most gates are near civ roads and you don't want .223 spraying all over the place.

Link Posted: 4/28/2003 4:51:58 PM EDT
Ithicas are fun...no disconnector
Link Posted: 5/8/2003 9:55:52 PM EDT
The guy that owns Sparrowhawk M14 stocks is working on a nice repro:


Link Posted: 5/9/2003 12:41:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:
Sturmpioneer, yeah that's a Mk 1, and if you can't tell by the haircut, that's a US Marine holding it. This Mk 1 has a 21" barrel with rifle sights and +3 extension... mag tube holds 7 rounds. Probably has a fixed IC choke. Folding stock in the pic is open. AFAIK, the device between barrel and extension is just a clamp for rigidity, and if it has any other function, I'm not aware of it.



How about no sight blade for the front or rear sight ramp.
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