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Posted: 3/21/2003 12:48:04 PM EDT
| I would like to put a Mepro 21 optic on my Benelli M1014 in the near future. First, do I need an adapter to mount it on the shotgun's rail? If so, anyone know the correct part number? Second, who has the best price on the sight (and possibly adapter as well)? Thanks! |
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M4Madness, You do not need any kind of mount for the Meprolight 21 Reflex Sight. Mount is built for the Picatinny rail atop the receiver. I put mine on the forward most position, without overhanging the rail... Outstanding... BTW, saw a Marine with a Meprolight on FOX News Channel this AM. His was mounted on the carrying handle! Strange, but I guess if it works for an ACOG, it'll certainly work for a Meprolight. I don't like the idea of having my head up so high, though... You might also think of Uncle Mikes for a great tactical sling for your M4S90... Part #2699-3. Say, has anyone else noticed how some forums are openly hostile to the M4S90/M1014? Not just the M4S90, but all Benelli's? Would be interested in your input... Regards and Respects, Carter, oldpaladin, out... |
| Carter, thanks for the help. One of these days, I'll have the Mepro 21 on my M1014. I'll check out the sling as well. I requested from Benelli one of the two-sided color brochures about the M1014 that I'd seen at my dealer's shop. It arrived today and will be laminated tomorrow. As for negativity about the Benelli M1014, I haven't really seen it mentioned one way or the other on the FEW gunboards I frequent. Thanks again! |
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oldpaladin, i know well of what you speak...what is up with the benelli haters??? here's my theory: first off, this weapon that you and i and others on this board love so well is pretty damn expensive, as we all know. i think the prohibitive cost plays a role in some of the negativity. most people aren't going to drop $1500 on a firearm, much less a shotgun, when there are scores of pump-actions readily available for $250 on the market. second, in its out-of-box state, the 4+1 capacity is kinda weak, especially at that price. i realize this is more a legal restriction than a failure on benelli's part to meet most people's preferences for shell capacity, but coupled with the high price tag, i think a lot of people wrote it off right from the start because of it. of course, the +2 mag extensions you and i have have completely changed the realm of possibilities in performance, but it's tough to alter a first impression. and lastly, i hate to say it, but i think there's always an element of jealousy and resentment out there where firearms are concerned. everyone wants the best stuff, but not everyone can afford it. it's a shame, but a fact of life. by the way, i finally made it to the range a couple weeks ago and fired the benelli for the first time since i got it late last year. what a magnificent weapon. i noticed, though, that it needs some breaking in. i tried light target loads first and they weren't ejecting very well. heavier loads and slugs worked fine, but low-recoil stuff wasn't going anywhere. i talked to an instructor at the range who reps for HK and he said to just feed it heavy stuff (1.25 to 1.5 oz) for a while and it'll eventually work just fine. have you experienced this as well? peace out... |
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sir_osis_of_thuliver, Congratulations on your first shoot! I'll bet She handled like a Lady! May you have many happy years together! I agree with your analysis of the "Benelli Haters." As to ammo and performance, here's what I've found: My bandoleers (4 25rd enclosed bandoleers and 2 25rd open) are set-up as follows: Open bandoleers have 3" #1 Buck Federal Premiums. Closed bandoleers are filled with 3" Federal 1.25oz Classic rifled deer slugs(51-125yds). For extremely tough targets, 1.375oz Brenneke Gold Sabots (50yds and under) or 1.125oz Brenneke Gold Slugs... For use against soft targets, alternative loads include 1oz Remington Sluggers or Winchester rifled slugs. All ammo listed is in the 3" category. I have similar loadings in 2.75" for commonality with buddies that are not 3" compatible. Accuracy is phenominal. Have shot 3.5" groups at 100yds using 3" Sluggers, 4.25" groups with Federal 1.25oz rifled deer slugs, and have shot 6-8" patterns at 25yards using #4, #1, 0,00, and 000 Buck... Have been assured that lethality of Remington's Hevi-shot in 12ga 00 Buck is 15yds beyond standard, or at least 40yds for same weight/size shot... BTW, was taught years ago, that with buckshot, 1" of spread per yard traveled to target. Theory would suggest 25" pattern at 25yds. Benelli M4S90/M1014 easily puts that old chestnut to rest... No matter how anyone can slice it, the Benelli M4S90/M1014 is superior to all other combat shotguns... I'm resisting mentioning a certain forum that is anti-Benelli M4S90/M1014. Why? Unlike them, I won't put-down others to make myself big in my own eyes, or get pats on the back from my cronies, as they themselves do. I dislike cliques, and those that cannot allow freedom of choice, thought, or opinion. Suffice it to say, any group of people that will not tolerate a differing point of view is of extremely limited value... Hope you all have a great weekend and week. With any luck, I hope to do some shooting in the next few days... Toying around with the idea of mounting a bipod on one of my beauties. Picture a rapid firing analog to the venerable .45-70, but limited to a range of 125 yards... Well, maybe not... I still want to find out how far they'll shoot accurately... Would be satisfied with a group of 8" at 200 yards... Wonder if that would be on par with a Brown Bess musket of the War of Independece? Take care, be well, be safe, and keep your powder dry... Regards and Respects, Carter, oldpaladin, out... |
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oldpaladin, i just wrote down all your ammo specs and am going to the store tomorrow. i am indebted to your expertise. thank you. i'm particularly looking forward to trying out 3" #1 buck federal premiums. i've shot #2 buck federals before, but in 2.75". i imagine the 3" shells kick quite a bit more. i've never fired 3" shells before. i notice you favor 3" exclusively for the benellis. i'm not familiar with the ballistics, but are they that much more effective than 2.75"? incidentally, your performance results at distance targets are pretty phenomenal. with that kind of accuracy, i'd be hard pressed to make an argument favoring an AR-15 as primary weapon over the benelli. anything within 100 yards and the benelli's going to obliterate any target quicker than an AR ever could. i have a feeling this is going to be a very loud summer. a bipod on the benelli? oh man, now that's hardcore. tricky to mount, i'd imagine, but if anyone can do it... peace out, Carter oldpaladin my man...much respect for all the help and guidance... j. blue (sir osis) |
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sir_osis_of_thuliver J. Blue, my friend, The 3" is a "bit" more stout, yes. However, if the purpose of combat shotguns is to expedited killing and breaking things, the 3" is significantly better than the 2.75". I think you'll find that the AR15 is still the better weapon for "all around" and sniper use, whereas the shotgun is the weapon of a specialist. Anybody can do well with an AR15. Shucks, I roll tennis balls at 225yds with iron sights and 55gr FMJ milspec ammo. No biggie. However, being able to engage targets from contact to 125yds with large diameter, heavy projectiles, is no longer the norm. Using the precision of the right kind of shotgun, the proper ammo, and the speed, reflexes, and discipline of a shotgunner, the combat shotgunner can easily transition to a rifle. The converse is NOT ordinarily true... Apples and oranges. I'm good with both, but LOVE the shotgun... Unlike the M1A Supermatches I used to have before my divorce three years ago, the 3" shoves back, not slaps back with the heavy steel but plate. I'll take the shotgun any day. However, if I could chose between the M1A and the AR15, I'd go back to the .308rd in a heartbeat. Steel (or lead) on target is the name of the game... Now, as to sabots out of the Benelli M4S90/M1014's, accuracy is acceptable to about 50yds. Beyond that, I'd use the heaviest slugs I could find... I'll even trade-off using 3" 1oz slugs for 1.25oz 2.75" slugs... Why? Energy of the Federal 2.75" 1.25oz Classic Rifled slug is not that different from the Federal 3" 1oz. slug. All engineering is a compromise. In such a case, it would be more wise to load-up with nine 2.75" rds, rather than eight 3"rds. Of course, this is all theory... Someday, I'd like to learn about the 3 gun matches that are held all around the country. Perhaps they have new (to me) ways of doing things more efficiently that I've not heard of... Frankly, I'm fascinated by the shotgun and it's combat history, current usage, and what it's future might be... One writer refered to his Vietnam experience using a shotgun loaded with #4 buck, with a Winchester 1897 pump. He thought of it as a directional claymore mine, on a very small scale... He liked it, and most importantly, lived to tell of his experiences... True, in a firefight against many enemies, the M1A or AR15 would probably be a better choice. However, for those of us concerned with hunting, survival, and home defense, the shotgun is my choice for first place. I intend going deer hunting next season with one of my Benelli's. Faux mag extension, magazine plug, and Meprolight 21 Reflex sight good to go... Where I go, most shots are under a hundred yards, and the Benelli should be truly outstanding... Much more sensible than the H&K .45acp USC carbine I took one year, or my AR15 with 75gr BTHP's, or my old Marlin .45-70... Of the three, I still retain the AR15, which will be go after my GLOCKs, but before my Benelli's... Those will be empty, broken, and still gripped in my cold dead fingers... The grizzly that gets me will have to earn his dinner... Hope the old shaggy beast enjoys it and dies of heartburn! LOL! Someday, I want to go fishing and hunting in Alaska. Man, I've heard that it's one of the most beautiful places (many, many of 'em) on Earth... Shucks, a GLOCK, a Benelli, and a flyrod and tackle... What more could anyone want? When my ship comes in, not just the tide... ;o) Enjoy your time at the range, and I can hardly wait for your report... I have no doubt that you'll find shooting your Benelli will be more fun you've had in a long, long time... I also know that you'll be impressed with the accuracy of the Benelli. Shucks, I just wish that my state had concealed carry. I'd buy a western style "duster" and be happy as can be! Imagine the look on the face of a would be mugger! ROTFLMHAO!!! Would love to have a photo of one that runs into such a situation! Take care, have fun, and let us know how it goes... Regards and Respects, Carter, oldpaladin, out... |
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oldpaladin, just got me some 3" federals in 00 buck. can't wait to try them out. thanks for the intel, your expertise on all things shotgun related is truly appreciated. "directional claymore mine" is awesome. i'll have to tell share that with a good friend of mine who is also former army. you mentioned the HK .45 ACP USC Carbine. i've been thinking of getting one of these just for fun. what's your opinion of these? someone on the general board posted a pic of the beretta carbine set to hit the market in late summer, but i think i'd probably be partial to the HK. just as a plinking weapon more than anything else. i also have my eyes on a fiberglass M1A in loaded / stainless configuration. i know what you mean about putting steel or lead on target. i've always been a fan of the .308 and i'm eager to get an M1A someday soon. (also want to get a 30-06 like i had as a kid.) re: alaska, i've never been, but a former colleague of mine at colorado state university would tell me fishing stories of alaska every summer. he'd go up there for a month at a time, had been doing it every year for over a decade. i'm not a hunter or fisherman, but i'd love to see the wild country just for the sake of it. from what my former colleague and others have told me, it's the most beautiful place left on our planet. take care, peace out, till next time... j. blue sir osis of thuliver |
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j. blue sir osis of thuliver, Well, my friend, I'm of two minds concerning the concept of a pistol cartridge carbine. Not only have I had the H&K USC .45acp carbine, but also used to have two semi-auto Uzi's in 9mm. If all you're looking for is a very slight velocity and accuracy advantage over a pistol of the same caliber, then the pistol caliber carbine is just the thing... If you're looking for commonality of ammo, both in a sidearm and a shoulder weapon, then you should be happy. However, all engineering is a compromise. Last year I shot some surveyed U.S. Navy SEAL type ammo- 185gr truncated metal jackets in the +P category. Out of a 5" 1911A1, it clocked out at 1690fps. Recoil and muzzle blast were EXTREME! Great for 100yd shooting, which a good friend of mine proceeded to prove to his satisfaction. The same fodder through the USC clocked at only 1250fps. In other words, for this Winchester load, the barrel, even a hexagonal twist barrel, is contraindicated, beyond a certain point. I don't know where the "tip point" is on this, but certainly not in the 18" barrel... The H&K USC will digest just about anything, and I never did have a single malfunction. I used "just about everything" because anything is possible. Same with the Uzi's. For pistol caliber weapons, they're heavy, nor as powerful as the pistols they'd replace. You have great taste in weapons, re: the Springfield M1A. Best battle rifle of all time... The Stainless Steel barrel would be good, as far as a survival rifle goes... Personally, if I ever am able to go that route again, I'll get a scout rifle with the best reflex sights I can find. However, on the standard sights, I'd get all National Match... Why not an M1 Garand? They can be had in .308 or .30-06. Springfield and Fulton Arms can make these Match capable, and do. There are still M1 shooters at Camp Perry every year... Can't wait for your next range report. Have fun, be safe, and shoot lots! Carter, oldpaladin, out... |
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