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1/24/2003 1:32:21 PM EDT
Hello.

I got a good deal on a NIB Rem 870 HD with the +2 tube extension, but now I'm finding out that these guns were specifically designed NOT to accept aftermarket accessories (see www.cqbsolutions.com/remsling.htm).  Specifically, when I installed a Wilson Combat 6-round sidesaddle, the forearm is blocked from travelling all the way to the rear.  I have a SureFire 618FA enroute, but does anybody know if this will solve the problem?  Thanks!

Andy
1/24/2003 5:25:51 PM EDT
[#1]
yes,  that should relieve the problem.  How much did you get the 870 for?  I was going to pick one up for $279 at Big 5.
1/24/2003 6:13:02 PM EDT
[#2]
I got mine for $249.95 at Targetmaster here in SE PA. Thanks for the reply.

Andy
1/25/2003 12:29:29 AM EDT
[#3]
Just wanted to chime in, not that it matters since you are installing the tac light, but the forearm that came on the HD is the standard 870 Express piece. It can easily be modified for use with the side saddle by simply cutting off the rear portion. I used a hack saw to do mine, and after about 5 minutes cutting, filing, and sanding, it looked like it was made that way.

But, a couple of days later my Surefire light arrived, so it was moot.

Just mentioning it in case someone has an HD and wants to install the side saddle only.
1/25/2003 10:46:30 AM EDT
[#4]
Ditto for what Gus said, or you should be able to buy just the short fore end from SpeedFeed and replace it pretty cheaply.
1/25/2003 10:30:26 PM EDT
[#5]
After checking out the link above, it appears that the newer HD's have had other changes to make it harder to add accessories. WTF is Remington's problem? Are they selling too many HD's?
1/26/2003 8:48:09 AM EDT
[#6]
Due to their inflated prices for the Wingmaster and Police models, as well as their antics to try and restrict sales through non-Remingtom distributors, etc. and looong delivery times, some enterprising LEO armorers and purchasing people figured out quick that the Express models worked fine as issue shotguns if the fore ends were cut down. (Not for adding accessories, but rather for the ability to unload the magazine without cycling every round through the action, and to fit in some gun racks)

This pissed off the greedy powers-that-be at the factory, because these armorers and purchasing agents were saving about $80-$100 of your tax money on each "non-LEO" shotgun, so ever since they figured this out, they have done everything they can to stop it. I used to lay awake at night and dream of Ruger or someone else bringing out an 870 clone for half the price with a friendly dealer/distributor neywork...the S&W copy was for shit...Remington is a collosal PITA to deal with.
1/26/2003 1:01:21 PM EDT
[#7]
So, besides the longer forearm (to prevent the use of a sidesaddle) and the larger barrel diameter (to prevent the use of an after market sidesling adapter), what else has been changed?  Thnaks!

Andy
1/26/2003 1:25:17 PM EDT
[#8]
Sounds like Remington has hatched the perfect plan to make Mossbergs look more attractive to the civilian home-defense crowd.  Since civilian purchases of firearms far outweigh LE purchases, Id say that was pure marketing genius on their part - NOT.
1/27/2003 7:46:55 PM EDT
[#9]
Well, I'm good to go.  Replaced the stock with a speedfeed pistolgrip stock, and got the surefire forearm and sidesaddle installed.  I can send a pic if anybody's interested.  Thanks for everbody's help.

Andy
2/7/2003 1:25:45 PM EDT
[#10]
So do the 870P's allow the use of SideSaddles? Or aftermarket slings?
2/7/2003 1:49:12 PM EDT
[#11]
You can get a speedfeed law enforcement style forearm.  That will solve the problem.
2/7/2003 11:37:49 PM EDT
[#12]
MedicAJ, Where did you order your Surefire Forend from and how much $$$? I am in the market for the same model 618FA. Thanks
2/8/2003 1:20:23 AM EDT
[#13]
I got the SureFire 618FA from Arizona Gunrunners.  It's priced at $168, but if you're LE/public safety, you get a 10% discount.  Shipping was $9.

Andy
2/9/2003 5:49:12 PM EDT
[#14]
The other modification that non-Police guns have is two dimples on the inside of the magazine tube to prevent adding a magazine extension.  You can either push them out with a dent remover, dremel them out and re-blue the area, or drill them out and re-blue the area.  I don't think they did it to punish civilians.  They just did it to ease liability concerns like Colt did but not as bad as S&W did when they were under British rule.  
Non-Police guns also don't undergo as many safety and quality-control checks but they also cost quite a bit less.
2/13/2003 10:41:23 AM EDT
[#15]



Originally posted by EDP1102,

The other modification that non-Police guns have is two dimples on the inside of the
magazine tube to prevent adding a magazine extension. You can either push them out with a dent remover, dremel them out and re-blue the area, or drill them out and re-blue the area. I don't think they did it to punish civilians. They just did it to ease liability concerns like Colt did but not as bad as S&W did when they were under British rule.
Non-Police guns also don't undergo as many safety and quality-control checks but they also cost quite a bit less.



EDP1102,

Would be interested in the dent remover option, could you elaborate more? TIA.
2/17/2003 6:42:02 AM EDT
[#16]
Brownells sells two different versions.  One is basically a solid metal rod the size of the internal diameter of the magazine tube and you drive it through the tube to push the dents out.  I have tried it and it worked okay, not great, just okay.  I still had to do some Dremel-ing and re-bluing to get everything to work smoothly.  The other choice from Brownell's is a hydraulic dent raiser that pushes the detents out.  I have not used one but it is supposed to work very well.  It is also much more expensive.  
As one of the dep't armorers on our P.D., I have found drilling them out to be the most reliable.  After we drill the holes, we Dremel the edges to make it smooth and then re-blue the area.  That procedure has worked great for us.  
Brownells web site is www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Home/default.aspx
I hope this helps.
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