Posted: 3/25/2013 10:42:29 AM EDT
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I was just wondering if it is just me getting old, or if anyone else has noticed that the edges of the trigger in the Ruger 22/45 are sharp? After about 100 rounds, I get to where I don't want to shoot it anymore. The gun shoots great groups, its just the sharp and mushy trigger. I have considered a new Volquartsen lower, a Hammerli Xesse with a Larry's Guns trigger job, or even selling a couple of guns and getting a Feinwerkbau AW93. I hate to spend all that money. I have considered taking emery cloth to the trigger, but cannot find my magnets & not sure what it is made of, probably MIM.
Thank you for any advice, this thing is driving me nuts, and that is getting to be a short trip for me. Mark |
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If you decide to give the Volquartsen trigger kit a try, you should be able to get it for about $100. Get the MkII kit rather than the MkIII kit and also pick up the $6. MkII hammer bushing. You'll be able to eliminate the magazine disconnect making break down and assembly much easier and making the trigger that much better too.
You don't need the adjustable sear as the Volquartsen complete kit comes with a polished target sear and the trigger has adjustments for over travel and pre travel built in. You can also get just the trgger itself from Volquartsen's web site for $35. That way you can limit your investment and see if you like the feel of the trigger shoe interface. Don't give up on that 22/45 man, it's one of the best .22lr pistols I've ever owned and I own A LOT of them. It just takes a little tweaking to get there. 
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If you decide to give the Volquartsen trigger kit a try, you should be able to get it for about $100. Get the MkII kit rather than the MkIII kit and also pick up the $6. MkII hammer bushing. You'll be able to eliminate the magazine disconnect making break down and assembly much easier and making the trigger that much better too. You don't need the adjustable sear as the Volquartsen complete kit comes with a polished target sear and the trigger has adjustments for over travel and pre travel built in. You can also get just the trgger itself from Volquartsen's web site for $35. That way you can limit your investment and see if you like the feel of the trigger shoe interface. Don't give up on that 22/45 man, it's one of the best .22lr pistols I've ever owned and I own A LOT of them. It just takes a little tweaking to get there. Exactly. Makes a world of difference. |
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Again, thank you for all the help. I am leaning toward the Volquartsen parts. My .22/45 is the one with the plastic lower, with fixed grips, so I would need to get the VC frame assembly with all the goodies installed, then I thought why not on the bolt too, as well as a set of Volthane grips. That is where I am now. Will probably change my mind in an hour or so. I don't remember putting so much agony into a handgun. Then again I have never shot a Ruger with Volquartsen parts. I am almost sure I'll have a .22 that I like when done. Again, thanks for all the advice. For all the crabbing I do about it, I'll give it this, It shoots really good groups the way it is. The trigger and grips drive me crazy though.
Thank You, Mark |
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Honestly you can do the parts installation yourself. Just watch one of the youtube videos and pause it as you go. Try the MKII drop in trigger and bushing and see what you think before you go all out.
If you can stand to listen to him, nutnfancy does a pretty good job of going over it. Linky |
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You don't need to replace your lower. I just put a Volquartsen trigger kit in my friends all plastic (integrated grip) 22/45 not too long ago and it came out prefect. Like stated above, if you have an mechanical ability whatsoever, and are half descent with working with your hands, you can pull the swap off on your own.
You can also save yourself some loot by grinding the integrated grips off and tapping a set of 1911 grip bushings into the grip frame. Then you can put any 1911 grips on it you want. There's quite a bit of info out there on that mod too. I guess it would be a hell of a lot easier to just buy the Volquartsen complete lower, but I enjoy doing the work and making my own tweaks as I go along, as much as I do shooting them when their done. Guess it doesn't hurt that I have the tools, experience and training to do it. |
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I have the mechanical aptitude to do what you are saying. I taught Industrial arts, and Vocational Auto Tech for 31 years. I just think I would be happier with the volq. lower. But I am not sure what I am going to do yet. I had thought about putting the new parts in my lower, and "dehorning" the grips.
Thanks, Mark |
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Mark III 22/45 VZ slim green canvas 320's modified to fit VQ stainless trigger VQ sear VQ mark II hammer bushing - mirror polished (eliminates the mag safety) Bolt slingshot mod Majestic Arms extended mag release Tacsol fiber optic front sight - not very happy with it, I'll probably order a Dawson. Not including the grips which were sitting unused in my parts pile, I have less than $500 in it and I'd put it up against any .22 pistol out there Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I have the mechanical aptitude to do what you are saying. I taught Industrial arts, and Vocational Auto Tech for 31 years. I just think I would be happier with the volq. lower. But I am not sure what I am going to do yet. I had thought about putting the new parts in my lower, and "dehorning" the grips. Thanks, Mark Right now the only VQ lower is the MKll\MKlll luger angeled grip. They are saying that the 1911 angled grip will be out later this year. I have the MKlll 22\45 with the MKll trigger parts installed and the magazine safety removed. My trigger went from over 5# with lots of creep, to just over 2# with a break like a glass rod with no work other than swaping out the parts. |
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Thanks guys, I am an idiot after all. I ordered the Volquartsen MkII accuracy kit and MkII bushing from Brownells. I have had the gun together and apart about 4 times now. I have watched the videos on it, caught a couple of minor mistakes I made, corrected them. It still won't work. It went together OK the first time, but no work. I have had it apart so many times I know all of the parts by heart. Still no dice. I cannot believe this pissant little thing is defeating me! I have rebuilt several guns, an AK from a parts kit, several AR-15s, worked on gobs of other guns, no problem. Throw in about 100++ carburettor & brake jobs, numerous engines rebuilt, automatic transmissions rebuilt, and on and on, now this relatively simple gun is getting the best of me. Maybe I am getting too old. I'll try it again tomorrow, the last time I worked on it I got so upset I started having angina! My gun is the MkIII 22/45. I watched the Nutfancy video too.
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 Been there, done that. My guess is you didn't point the gun down, pull the trigger then make sure that little pin goes in the right place. The second time I tore mine down I was ready to throw the thing across the room as I was positive that I'd done everything right- and I'd checked it several times already since it wasn't working. Finally it all dropped together right and I was like DOH! Now I double check that everything is going where it's supposed to.
That trigger is amazing- when you get it to work you'll see. 
Keep plugging away at it and you'll get it; it's worth it when you take it to the range. 
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Whenever it gets like that, your best bet is to just put it down and walk away. Sometimes you know it too well, making it easy to miss the simplest thing. I'd suggest taking the gun apart, laying out the parts and walking away from it for a day. Come back fresh, make sure every single part is there and then reinstall with a cool head and fresh mind. It is a very simple gun, but there are some "quirks" to it that make it very big PIA to assemble. I've had mine apart a million times and I still stumble sometimes with the hammer Tetris game you have to play.
You should also adjust all of the adjustment screws all the way out, until you have the trigger in and functioning. Once it's all working correctly, you can start working on the over / pre travel screws and set the trigger break the way you want it. Those screws though, can absolutely stop the trigger from breaking or resetting if out of adjustment and drive you nuts if you don't realize that's what the problem is. |
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Thanks guys, that is what I am doing now. Last night I gave up, dis assembled it, turned off the light and walked out of my shop. I haven't been back down there so far today. I appreciate the vote of confidence. I figure it is going to be something simple that I am overlooking.
Thanks, Mark |
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I thought I had posted earlier, but probably forgot to press submit. At any rate, I got the 22/45 back together and working with the Volquartsen accuracy kit & MkII bushing. I am not sure what I was doing wrong, it was either with the sear, sear spring, or hammer, along with not having Ruger's manual there in front of me for re assembly. Maybe it was just God walked me through the steps. I now have a 2.5# trigger that is very crisp and clean when you pull the trigger. also got rid of the magazine safety. Now my mags jump right out of the gun. Very happy with the kit.
Thanks for all the help, Mark |
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Amazing change ain't it? I'm telling you, I have a LOT of high quality .22's and I haven't had a one of them out of the safe since "fixing" my 22/45. I recently scored an RMR and awesome custom billet mount for the 22/45 off of GB for a song and a dance. I sent the sight back to Trijicon for a check up and to get the LED adjusted, but I can't wait to get it back and on the gun. It should be even more fun with that on there.
I think I'll get a nice set of VZ's to finish it off, then shoot the rifling out of the barrel.... or at least try my damdist...
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I thought I had posted earlier, but probably forgot to press submit. At any rate, I got the 22/45 back together and working with the Volquartsen accuracy kit & MkII bushing. I am not sure what I was doing wrong, it was either with the sear, sear spring, or hammer, along with not having Ruger's manual there in front of me for re assembly. Maybe it was just God walked me through the steps. I now have a 2.5# trigger that is very crisp and clean when you pull the trigger. also got rid of the magazine safety. Now my mags jump right out of the gun. Very happy with the kit. Thanks for all the help, Mark Now to get out and shoot the finished product. I know you've been looking at multiple pistols and hope these kits get your 22/45 closer to what you're wanting. 
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Took it to the range yesterday. VERY NICE! I really like the new trigger's feel & light pull. I have the pre & post travel set where I like them. With the old trigger assembly, I had been pulling low and to the left, so I moved the sight to correct this. Now I am shooting to the right. I will move the sight back and all should be OK. Had I put those parts in right at the beginning, I believe It would've been dead on. While I am super happy with the trigger, I still don't like the molded in grips mine came with. I am not going to do the mods on the grips, because I might want to sell it eventually. Thanks for all the help, advice, and encouragement. As to selling it, I doubt it, b/c I have a 15 year old grandson that just might like shooting it. For the time being, I am just going to enjoy shooting it. I just came from Wal Mart & realized one of the things I wanted to get was a bicycle inner tube to make a grip cover. Oh well....
Thanks Guys, Mark |
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Well, my friend with the FWB AW 93 got back to town. I have shot it on 2 trips to the range. The gun is phenomenal. Just when I thought I was liking the Ruger, this happened. No plans to get rid of the Ruger, but am selling off some of my collection to finance an FWB. I have never shot a .22 like it. Having said that, the VQ parts really helped the Ruger out. I am having a hard time seeing 2" targets at 20-25 yds with the iron sights, so am putting an inexpensive 2x scope on it. Like I said, I am keeping the Ruger, but want the FWB too.
Thanks, Mark |
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Well, my friend with the FWB AW 93 got back to town. I have shot it on 2 trips to the range. The gun is phenomenal. Just when I thought I was liking the Ruger, this happened. No plans to get rid of the Ruger, but am selling off some of my collection to finance an FWB. I have never shot a .22 like it. Having said that, the VQ parts really helped the Ruger out. I am having a hard time seeing 2" targets at 20-25 yds with the iron sights, so am putting an inexpensive 2x scope on it. Like I said, I am keeping the Ruger, but want the FWB too. Thanks, Mark I looked that up, and... Wow! $2500+ is a crazy amount of cash for a .22lr pistol. I'd love to shoot one, if you're willing to drop that kind of coin on it after 2 range outings. |
| Yes, I know it is a lot of money for a .22 pistol. I have now been to the range 5 times with it. At 20 & 25 yards, I can shoot it a LOT better than I do the Ruger. I have put close to 1000 rounds through the Ruger since I put the VQ parts in it. I put a Colt Law Enforcement Carbine, NIB, and an SAR2 5.45X39 with 12 new mags in pouches & about 4100 rounds for it, that will show up on Gunbroker.com this Friday to finance it. As to getting rid of these 2 rifles, I have others, so wasn't a huge loss. I love to shoot. I go 2 or 3 times a week to a new range in Ottawa, KS. It is one of the finest 25 yd. indoor ranges I have ever been in. Shooting is one thing I can still do, as heart disease is slowly taking a terrible toll on me. I had to give up so much already, that I just don't care that the FWB AW93 is expensive. The Sig 226 X6 L1 9mm I shot before the ammo panic hit, was an expensive gun too. There is no 9mm ammo available cheap right now & I want to save my stockpile that I built up over the last 8 years. I discovered .22 and love it. If this ammo thing ever settles down, I will have 2 target pistols I can shoot until the disease progresses to the point I can't do either. Then I will either sell them, or let my Son or Grandson have them. |