Posted: 4/17/2010 7:42:50 PM EDT
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The gun is a Kimber Eclipse Ultra. The condition is visible in the pictures below. It has had a Trigger job, Reliability job (Tuned ejector, tuned extractor and polished feed ramp) and the frame was polished. There is paperwork on all this work. It will be coming with a nylon paddle holster, and 2 mags.
I would like an idea what it's worth, as i think i'm getting a good deal but i want an outside opinion. 
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I own an ultra CDP and wouldn't buy another shorty at any price. The guy who put a reliability job on a Kimber is an idiot in the first place and probably wants to get that back out of it in the price. The answer is hell no. I have a Custom Match that has almost 100k round through it. Reliability job? Trigger job? On a Kimber? Naw. If the guy is doing dumb shit to the gun, I'd inspect it inside and out and probably still not buy it. |
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900. Gun new is 1160+ tax at my local store. No! It does look like it is good shape and really, unless there was some issues before, it shouldn't need a double reliability job. There's a good chance he didn't do shit, but IS trying to talk up the gun. I'm not doubting this guys work, but a valid question has been raised. Now, with that out of the way, for that price you should be able to get a full size Kimber Custom or TLE. I purchased my TLE II new for about $850.00 in '03 or '04. A full size will run better and give you less problems in the long run. In the end it is your money and if you really want the gun and it works great do it, but it's your cash and it's your gun... I say shop around more. |
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guess it would be important to mention that i absolutely do NOT want a full sized 1911. I want a 3" 1911.
I am aware of all the arguments for commander length +, i am simply trying to figure out if THIS gun has retained enough of its original value to be worth the 900 that he's asking. I don't see any of them being sold anywhere used for comparison |
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hrm... any why would you say it's worth less than half what it sells for new/ $600 is half of retail. Those can be had fro around $1000. $1000.00 - new $800.00 - Pre-owned in unused condition $600.00 - Used and worked on. I do not care if he is a "smith" or not. It has been messed with. Why buy someone else's mistake at full retail price. |
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show me where that gun can be had for $1000 new out the door please.
or 800 in unused condition after tax. or 600 in ANY condition. I have not found a SINGLE instance of these prices being correct. After tax or ffl fees and shipping they are around 1150-1200 everywhere new. |
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Quoted: Still does not explain why he did it to a Kimber. All that is done from the factory. Sounds like he is trying to squeeze money out of you for something that was already done. What is he asking? None of the little Kimbers we sold ever ran worth a shit. Not saying the Ultra Compact SA's were any better, especially the V10. OP when it comes down to it, is it worth it to you? If you cant find them and want that one are you willing to pay for it? I think youre on the fence for a reason. |
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i'm mostly on the fence because i don't know the trade or resale value of this gun. I am getting it for CC, and for that, i think it will be 100% dependable. I put 100 rounds through it, of 6 different kinds including 2 kinds of HP and it fed flawlessly. i don't see it being unreliable.
Basicly i just don't wanna get hosed on the deal. If the value is around what i'm being offered, i'll probably buy it |
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Quoted: i'm mostly on the fence because i don't know the trade or resale value of this gun. I am getting it for CC, and for that, i think it will be 100% dependable. I put 100 rounds through it, of 6 different kinds including 2 kinds of HP and it fed flawlessly. i don't see it being unreliable. Basicly i just don't wanna get hosed on the deal. If the value is around what i'm being offered, i'll probably buy it Theres a dedicated Kimber forum on the 1911 message board. People there would know it gets a lot of traffic. |
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Quoted: show me where that gun can be had for $1000 new out the door please. or 800 in unused condition after tax. or 600 in ANY condition. I have not found a SINGLE instance of these prices being correct. After tax or ffl fees and shipping they are around 1150-1200 everywhere new. I can't quite come up with a price under $1000.00. but here is one for $1050+shipping and transfer. It's a little more than the $1000.00 you were talking, but it's brand new, and not been "worked" over by some "smith". Not saying your guy don't know what he's doing, but he might be selling something you don't need... That kind of money, it should run outta the box, without work... -jsteih |
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I passed on one a couple months ago for $675 that hadn't been messed with. A steel frame Ultra is going to be a lot harder to unload than an alloy frame.
MSRP is $1236. Retail is about $999 and you can probably beat that if you shop around enough. (Kimbers usually sell for 80% of msrp across the board) Used in great shape would be $800. It's been dicked with, so knock $100 or so off the top. |
| There are two of these on Gunbroker right now for $1079 new. An unmolested like new gun would be worth $800 to me. Work done by an unknown 'smith takes it down from there...never up. If you try to trade or sell it to a gun shop, they will give you $500 for it. |
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that's not even the same gun. They have the eclipse listed for $1038.
From everything i have ever seen or read, having a qualified gunsmith work on a firearm can NOT decrease the value. It seems like for some reason some of you have a grudge against kimber. According to 3 different gun dealers in my area, this gun would be worth about 950 resale. These are all people i know and trust. |
| maybe demand is different in your area but there isn't a chance i would pay $950 in my area. I could walk into a local shop with an extra $100 cash and grab one new. you do what you want. i am a kimber owner and lover. i also don't like buying guns with 'work' done to them unless i know the smith and would go to them for work myself. |
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i wanted honest opinions. What i'm getting is bullshit about it being 1000 new, and gunsmithing making it worthless. How in hell could having a reliability job decrease value? That's just goofy People are telling you their experiences. Take them or leave them. The way a reliability job decreases the value is that people don't trust just anyone with a file and a gun. I wouldn't buy a car that someone had done a lot of aftermarket work on because I don't know who was doing the wrench time and the 'reliability' work could easily cause reliability issues. |
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i wanted honest opinions. What i'm getting is bullshit about it being 1000 new, and gunsmithing making it worthless. How in hell could having a reliability job decrease value? That's just goofy A few things.... a new pistol that needs a "reliability job" has trouble written all over it. I would sell any 1911 that needed one (reliability job) and would certainly not buy one that had to have one. I have had several and they were (other than one)all good out of the box. The only one that wasn't was a compact model...this leads me to my next question. Why do you want a tiny 3" 1911. I'm not knocking your choice but the shorter pistols do not conceal very much better than a full size if at all. A good holster makes any of my full size pistols dissappear and I'm talking shorts and a polo here. The smaller ones hold less rounds, are less accurate and generally less reliable. The bottom line is if you want it and feel it's a good deal....go for it...the interweb opinions shouldn't matter much. I personally don't care for Kimbers AT ALL....but that's just a personal thing. |
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Quoted: i wanted honest opinions. What i'm getting is bullshit about it being 1000 new, and gunsmithing making it worthless. How in hell could having a reliability job decrease value? That's just goofy Ive never seen anyone post an actual good deal and not get a ton of buy it responses here. That said just buy the damn thing, you seem pretty self assured its a great deal. |
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From everything i have ever seen or read, having a qualified gunsmith work on a firearm can NOT decrease the value. It seems like for some reason some of you have a grudge against kimber. According to 3 different gun dealers in my area, this gun would be worth about 950 resale. These are all people i know and trust. Um... NO. I have a couple of Kimbers. In fact my normal carry piece is a Kimber Ultra. I'm not biased against Kimber, though some here are. Other than the horribly wrong experiment they did with external extractors several years back, they make good guns. 1) The gun sells for just under 1K brand new. 2) A used gun in great shape is worth about 80% of new, so $800 3) A gunsmith working on a handgun (especially a 1911), unless a well known name, always brings down the value. The only mod that generally increases value is to add night sights to a gun that did not come with them., and you only add the value of the sights, not the cost of installing them. Think of it like the guy who spends $2000 turning a $5000 Ford Mustang into a $3000 mustang. Whether it runs better is not the point, he wrecked the value, because most people want it original. You can pick up a used CDP (which is a higher end gun) for $800-850, the eclipse would be $100 less, except as I said, it's been messed with. If you really want it, buy it, but I'd rather have an alloy frame gun for carry. |
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This has just been painful to read. OP, you clearly have made up your mind that you want the gun at that price. Go buy the thing and quit rejecting the opinions you asked for on the price. Like many others here, I would pass on that price without hesitation.
Here is a new one for $50 more than what that used, worked on one you are looking at is priced at. A much, much better deal in my opinion. http://www.ozarkguns.com/pistols/kimber/kimber_eclipse.htm |
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Here is a new one for $50 more than what that used, worked on one you are looking at is priced at. A much, much better deal in my opinion. http://www.ozarkguns.com/pistols/kimber/kimber_eclipse.htm Looks like it might come in around $1000 after shipping and transfer fee :) OP gets everything and more now. 
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"Gunsmith" means about as much as "small engine mechanic." A significant majority of gunsmiths I have encountered I wouldn't trust to mount a scope. Unless the work was done by Harrison, Novak, and a few others, it decreases the value.
I don't like short 1911's, but if I were in the market for one, that would be a $550-600 gun. |
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lol... well folks, i'm VERY glad that you guys aren't the general consensus in my area. I sold that kimber yesterday for 1050. bought a NIB Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry from gander mountain an hour later for 1080. Thanks for the advice. It was your gun? No wonder you were so defensive about the value. I thought that you were buying it. Well, good for you for getting that price and congrats on the new gun. |
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lol... well folks, i'm VERY glad that you guys aren't the general consensus in my area. I sold that kimber yesterday for 1050. bought a NIB Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry from gander mountain an hour later for 1080. Thanks for the advice. What it is worth and what you can get for it are two different things. "There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum |
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lol... well folks, i'm VERY glad that you guys aren't the general consensus in my area. I sold that kimber yesterday for 1050. bought a NIB Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry from gander mountain an hour later for 1080. Thanks for the advice. It was your gun? No wonder you were so defensive about the value. I thought that you were buying it. Well, good for you for getting that price and congrats on the new gun. actually, no, it wasn't my gun when this post went up. i was considering buying it. I traded for it, then sold it 3 days later... As for the post above me... What you can sell something for IS what it's worth. How else would you define "worth"? |
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lol... well folks, i'm VERY glad that you guys aren't the general consensus in my area. I sold that kimber yesterday for 1050. bought a NIB Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry from gander mountain an hour later for 1080. Thanks for the advice. It was your gun? No wonder you were so defensive about the value. I thought that you were buying it. Well, good for you for getting that price and congrats on the new gun. actually, no, it wasn't my gun when this post went up. i was considering buying it. I traded for it, then sold it 3 days later... As for the post above me... What you can sell something for IS what it's worth. How else would you define "worth"? Ahhh. I see. I well congrats anyway. I disagree with your statement of worth. What you can sell something for is it's market value. It may have an intrinsic value much higher or lower than the market value depending on what it is and the market in which it is being sold. This however is kind of a tangent so I will leave it at that. |
