Posted: 2/5/2010 7:19:01 PM EDT
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Two questions If it does not have a Grip safety is it still a 1911? or is that a design feature considered one of the pieces that actually make it a 1911?
Question 2 were there ever 1911's without grip safeties in service with the military? and would a 30-40 year old man have seen those in service? |
There are/were a LOT of Spanish 1911ish pistols without grip safeties. I think Sarco has been selling a 9mm Largo called a Star Modelo Super, or some such thing. Basicly "based on" a 1911 design. Basicly a Spaneird saw a 1911 once and fashioned something that "looked" simular.
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The Colt Model 1905 that predate the 1911 did not have a grip safety. That was a feature mandated by the US Calvary dept. Yes and No, on the last part. As mentioned last use of the M1911A1 in service was the first Gulf War in 91 (same with the M3A1 SMG). After that they were retired and put into depot. Now, Special Forces Groups along with MARSOC still issue the M1911A1. I took over 250ea M1911A1s out of depot in 03' back to Iraq and carried one there along side my issued M9 (03' thru 08'). My son is also carrying a cocked and locked M1911A1 one in Iraq today with 10th SFGA.
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I'm not talking about modifying it after the fact.
I've recently talked to two people. One man said when he was in the military and that the 1911's in the military didn't have grip safeties, Grip safeties were just something they put on there for civilians. I only saw a few 1911's but they deff. all had grip safeties. I wanted to say he was full of shit. another guy I talked to said he used to have a 1911 that had no grip safety as in manufactured that way. I told him "well I don't think that it wouldn't be considered a 1911 since thats one of the features that makes it a 1911" Just curious. |
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The Colt Model 1905 that predate the 1911 did not have a grip safety. That was a feature mandated by the US Calvary dept. Yes and No, on the last part. As mentioned last use of the M1911A1 in service was the first Gulf War in 91 (same with the M3A1 SMG). After that they were retired and put into depot. Now, Special Forces Groups along with MARSOC still issue the M1911A1. I took over 250ea M1911A1s out of depot in 03' back to Iraq and carried one there along side my issued M9 (03' thru 08'). My son is also carrying a cocked and locked M1911A1 one in Iraq today with 10th SFGA. CD Sorry should have been more clear I too saw 1911's in service. The question was would this 30-40 year old guy that was in the "military" have seen a 1911 with no grip safety. |
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He may have had a Llama 1911 as those I don't think had a grip safety. But you are correct the grip safety was added to the M1911 and M1911A1 as a requirement from the US Calvary board. They wanted a means that disabled the gun if a trooper on horse back lost his pistol and it fell, and it would not discharge. It was on every single US M1911 every accepted (and on the M15 General officers pistol).
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He may have had a Llama 1911 as those I don't think had a grip safety. But you are correct the grip safety was added to the M1911 and M1911A1 as a requirement from the US Calvary board. They wanted a means that disabled the gun if a trooper on horse back lost his pistol and it fell, and it would not discharge. It was on every single US M1911 every accepted (and on the M15 General officers pistol). CD All the Llamas I've seen had grip safeties. I own a Mini-Max my self. ETA: the guy is either (1) full of shit. (2) just never noticed the grip safety, maybe never knew what it was, or (3) doesn't know what a 1911 is and thinks it is what the M9 is. Most of the people I knew in the Coast Guard didn't know a damn thing about guns! Had some, umm, "interesting"  conversations with people in there.
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