Posted: 1/24/2010 9:51:53 PM EDT
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Dan Wesson Valor
Colt Special Combat Carry Springfield Armory TRP Looking to keep it in the 1300-1500$ range so like the title says which one would you go for and for what reasons ? Looking to dump my kimber for one of these. |
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.I have the Dan wesson bobtail and I think you get more gun for the money. have heard nothing but GOOD on the DW's and the S/A 's , and on other sites as well.... I think the Colt is a good gun, just for the price I think the others are better bargain.. I can only speak of one person I know with the Colt and he is having some minor issues with it, think we got it now, but for that kind of money it should be squared away to begin with.. BUT that is just one gun... Im sure anyone would be happy with any one of those guns.... Quoted:
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Valor TRP Colt Same. Valor is going to use better parts and has better fitting than either the Colt or TRP. We will have to agreed to disagree. I don't think the Valor is fitted together better or that it has better parts than the TRP, I just like the features of the Valor more, especially the lack of front cocking serrations and their 25lpi front strap. |
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Valor TRP Colt Same. Valor is going to use better parts and has better fitting than either the Colt or TRP. We will have to agreed to disagree. I don't think the Valor is fitted together better or that it has better parts than the TRP, I just like the features of the Valor more, especially the lack of front cocking serrations and their 25lpi front strap. I agree with you on the FCS and checkering. I think the TRP checkering is a little too rough. Also, to my knowledge the TRP still uses MIM for their slide stop, hammer, disconnector and possibly a few other parts. Shooting from a mechanical rest, the Valor is going to be more accurate (according to reviews). If I can find the reviews I will remember to edit my post. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything above. |
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I agree with you on the FCS and checkering. I think the TRP checkering is a little too rough. Also, to my knowledge the TRP still uses MIM for their slide stop, hammer, disconnector and possibly a few other parts. Shooting from a mechanical rest, the Valor is going to be more accurate (according to reviews). If I can find the reviews I will remember to edit my post. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything above. I don't think your wrong, I just don't put as much weight behind the whole MIM thing as other people, at least not since I've purchased my TRP. And as far as mechanical rest accuracy goes, I don't shoot pistols in mechanical rests, I shoot them in my hands, so the only accuracy I look for is MODMF (minute of dead mother f*er) 
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I agree with you on the FCS and checkering. I think the TRP checkering is a little too rough. Also, to my knowledge the TRP still uses MIM for their slide stop, hammer, disconnector and possibly a few other parts. Shooting from a mechanical rest, the Valor is going to be more accurate (according to reviews). If I can find the reviews I will remember to edit my post. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything above. I don't think your wrong, I just don't put as much weight behind the whole MIM thing as other people, at least not since I've purchased my TRP. And as far as mechanical rest accuracy goes, I don't shoot pistols in mechanical rests, I shoot them in my hands, so the only accuracy I look for is MODMF (minute of dead mother f*er) MODMF 
To me the checkering is not that rough but then again I do not have girly hands I I am use to G10 style aggressive type grips. My TRP also is damn accurate but I am upset my Grand Raptor is more accurate then the TRP in three different peoples hands. But the Valor and TRP are so closely matched I would own either one no problem. |
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USA Brazil Czech Republic Hmm... Are you serious? All 3 guns are assembled and are a product of the USA. Springfield uses frames made by IMBEL. DW is owned by CZ-USA. Neither one of those makes it less of an american product. Guess what? The car you drive is put together with parts made in various parts of the world. Deal with it. Not sure what you are trying to say. But there is hard evidence that the Colt will be far less accurate than the Valor and probably the TRP. There is also more detail to fitting in the TRP and the Valor than the Colt. |
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USA - Union Brazil Czech Republic Hmm... What is wrong with other countries? I am not American by birth I am a legal immigrant just because pistols are from another country does not mean that the pistols from there are sub par. Look at HK, Glock, Sig, FN, CZ all good products. I bet if the Germans ever decided to make a 1911 it would blow away any 1911 on that market for quality and everyone would drool over them. |
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Without getting into the whole where things are made etc...dance I will say this- I went by the Colt booth at SHOT and was damn impressed with the products they are offering.
FINALLY, they have pulled their heads out of their asses (which the rep. I spoke to freely admitted) and are producing pistols with the features and price point that WE have lambasted them for years for not producing. For that reason, I'd buy the Colt. You can't piss and moan for years about something and then hide under a rock when somebody actually listens and responds with a quality product. |
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Without getting into the whole where things are made etc...dance I will say this- I went by the Colt booth at SHOT and was damn impressed with the products they are offering. FINALLY, they have pulled their heads out of their asses (which the rep. I spoke to freely admitted) and are producing pistols with the features and price point that WE have lambasted them for years for not producing. For that reason, I'd buy the Colt. You can't piss and moan for years about something and then hide under a rock when somebody actually listens and responds with a quality product. I am not putting down Colt I am just trying to understand why their is so much hate towards guns made in countries other then USA Germany and Austria. It seems that pistols that are made in developing countries are sub-par. |
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I understand that but there are alot of guys in this thread that have made a living bashing Colt- I personally don't drink the "pony piss" but I will say that I am very impressed with their new guns-for good reason. I think it's a bit disingenous to lambast them from pillar to post and then when they do make a quality product at a reasonable price to pick everyone else first. That's all.
If you want to say " I hate Colt" "I hate Unions" whatever...that's fine, I know where you're coming from then....But they are making some very fine pistols these days and I don't think it's right to automatically reject them. Here is a pretty decent "article" about just one of the new Colts, they had probably a half dozen new models at the show- http://ezine.m1911.org/ColtCombatElite_frame.htm Colt is making good pistols these days and considering what various mouth breathers will pay for Kimbers' lastest Grande Supremo Tactical Thunder Chickenhawk Special (gotta love the names they stick on their pistols these days) model these days- the prices are very reasonable. |
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Without getting into the whole where things are made etc...dance I will say this- I went by the Colt booth at SHOT and was damn impressed with the products they are offering. FINALLY, they have pulled their heads out of their asses (which the rep. I spoke to freely admitted) and are producing pistols with the features and price point that WE have lambasted them for years for not producing. For that reason, I'd buy the Colt. You can't piss and moan for years about something and then hide under a rock when somebody actually listens and responds with a quality product. I am not putting down Colt I am just trying to understand why their is so much hate towards guns made in countries other then USA Germany and Austria. It seems that pistols that are made in developing countries are sub-par. I have no hate, I have Springers AND Colts, something about the Colt though, oh yea no collection is complete without one
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I understand that but there are alot of guys in this thread that have made a living bashing Colt- I personally don't drink the "pony piss" but I will say that I am very impressed with their new guns-for good reason. I think it's a bit disingenous to lambast them from pillar to post and then when they do make a quality product at a reasonable price to pick everyone else first. That's all. If you want to say " I hate Colt" "I hate Unions" whatever...that's fine, I know where you're coming from then....But they are making some very fine pistols these days and I don't think it's right to automatically reject them. Here is a pretty decent "article" about just one of the new Colts, they had probably a half dozen new models at the show- http://ezine.m1911.org/ColtCombatElite_frame.htm Colt is making good pistols these days and considering what various mouth breathers will pay for Kimbers' lastest Grande Supremo Tactical Thunder Chickenhawk Special (gotta love the names they stick on their pistols these days) model these days- the prices are very reasonable. And I understand what your saying Will, but taking 2 decades to respond to customer requests and their own QC is kinda rediculous. I like Colts, I definitely want to get one down the road, but my ranking them as third has less to do with "pony piss" and more to do with the fact that right now, at this very moment, out of the three pistols available from these companies polled above, Colt is definitely the lowest quality. They have definitely started putting out excellent pistols over the last year or so, but the quality of the Valor and TRP have never been in question. No bias, no bullshit, just facts. |
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They have definitely started putting out excellent pistols over the last year or so, but the quality of the Valor and TRP have never been in question.
No bias, no bullshit, just facts. And that's fair. It's true that Colts track record is only now starting to recover. I do believe though that as they bring more and more modern machinery online- which they are doing- alot of people are going to be surprised at how good of a pistol they are making. I say that as someone who truly was surprised myself. I've said all manner of ugly things about them over the years. Now, the guns I saw could have been specially fitted, in fact some of them were Custom Shop pistols, but then again so are the other two contestants we're talking about. I just know that I saw a Commander Slide on an Officers' model frame with Novaks and an S&A beavertail that was to friggen die for! That's a gun that alot of folks have BEGGED them to make for 25 years- and they ARE. I have to reward that, if it bites me in the ass- you WILL hear about it but I'm willing to give them a shot after all this time. |
| Just to make things straight I do not hate Colt but it seems everyone I have touched or picked up in the past few years made me just sick to the stomach (very loosely fitted, pinned sights, nothing special, duck bill grip safety, and some just ugly as sin) but the new XSE blued gun made me smile when I saw it. I do want a Colt but I have not found one I could live with and would not have to dump a ton of money into an already expensive pistol (because of the name not quality). Maybe these new ones will surprise me I am not going to not give it a chance. |
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TRP Colt I'd also argue that the Valor is better fit and finished than the TRP, I've only seen 3 but each one was beautifully fit and I'd wager that each one made gets more personal attention and handwork than the TRP. I've seen some excellent TRPs and some not so excellent ones. I think that the Valor would be more consistant. As far as DW being part of the CZ empire, all there pistols are made in the US by US workers using US sourced parts. That makes them American. |