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12/19/2009 7:04:40 PM EDT
My 1982 Colt Comander does not have a flare behind the ejection port. I noticed almost all custom 1911 makers have the flared ejection port.
I am having my Colt refinished, and thes would be the time to do it.
Does it really increase reliability with possibly better ejection?
Thanks.
12/19/2009 7:23:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Helps keep the brass from getting dinged up. Never had an issue with a unflared one and ejecting. If you want it done tho, now is the time.
12/19/2009 7:25:39 PM EDT
[#2]
I could be wrong, I have been before, but as I understand it they lower the ejection port to improve reliability, but they flare the rear of the ejection port so that reloaders don't have to deal with dented brass.
12/19/2009 7:28:33 PM EDT
[#3]
My Mark IV Series 80 Colt Officers won't cycle a loaded round out the ejection port for shit.... but it will soon. It literaly has been a " gun in a bag " until yesterday. Assembled and getting ready to flare ejection port among a long list of other things. Yes ejection ports need to be flared in my opnion... at least on my guns they will be.
12/19/2009 8:07:35 PM EDT
[#4]
It just looks cool.  There is no other reason.

None of my guns have the flared port.  They don't damage the brass, and run great.
12/19/2009 9:39:54 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
It just looks cool.  There is no other reason.

None of my guns have the flared port.  They don't damage the brass, and run great.


There is a reason, and it's a good one. It does keep the brass from being dented and crushed. If you handload that makes a lot of difference. If all you shoot is factory ammo it doesn't matter.
I don't think it affects reliability at all.

Jim

12/20/2009 1:04:07 AM EDT
[#6]
Aren't flared ejection ports necessary with extended ejectors?
12/20/2009 3:16:18 AM EDT
[#7]
It seems opening up the ejection port would allow for more dirt, mud, ect to get into your chamber and around your extractor. This is just my assumption and most likely I'm wrong. Maybe someone who has been to a "roll around in the dirt" handgun corse can comment on this.
12/20/2009 9:05:56 AM EDT
[#8]
Tag



I've got a GI that I'm planning on modding in the near future and was planning on doing this.



12/20/2009 9:57:24 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
It just looks cool.  There is no other reason.

None of my guns have the flared port.  They don't damage the brass, and run great.


There is a reason, and it's a good one. It does keep the brass from being dented and crushed. If you handload that makes a lot of difference. If all you shoot is factory ammo it doesn't matter.
I don't think it affects reliability at all.

Jim



Dented and crushed?  Really?  Can you post a picture of a damaged case?

 My .45's have seen about 100 rounds of factory ammo.  I've loaded tens of thousands of rounds for USPSA, and pins.  Seen millions of rounds shot in competition.  Have yet to see a single case ruined by an ejection port that was not flared.
12/20/2009 10:12:21 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Aren't flared ejection ports necessary with extended ejectors?


No.  For some bullet shapes, an overly extended ejector results in difficulty in clearing a live round out the port.  Slightly relieving the forward end of the port, allows the bullet nose to pass.
12/20/2009 10:57:30 AM EDT
[#11]




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Dented and crushed? Really? Can you post a picture of a damaged case?



Here's one from a lowered and flared 1911








12/20/2009 1:02:16 PM EDT
[#12]
Looks cool and I believe it may cause the brass to be ejected more to the rear and lower. I've had both standard and lowed/flared and reliability was the same. I also havent noticed any difference in the brass and have reloaded thousands of rounds.
12/20/2009 1:21:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
My 1982 Colt Comander does not have a flare behind the ejection port...
Does it really increase reliability with possibly better ejection?
Thanks.

No. As Cooper once said, "It is a solution in search of a problem". My tuned Colt 1991A1 didn't get one 17 years ago. I'm left-handed and very, very observant where my cases fly (Like at my face...). Your pistol needs a properly set-up extractor and ejector.
Lowering and flaring the ejection port is one of those vanity things that you can spend $$$ on if you want - kinda like all that checkering that folks get.

12/20/2009 2:59:08 PM EDT
[#14]
Thanks for all the opinions. This Colt Commander is keeping the ejection port as is. As someone commented, it does have a lower ejection port than the Govt model did.
12/20/2009 3:27:19 PM EDT
[#15]
Early 1911........And I'm talking 1911's not A1's had narrow ejection port's. They were designed to feed and eject 230 grain ball ammo.Back in the day. When higher velocity lighter bullet loads were used. Some ejection problems arose. This was cured by lowering the ejection port. Measureing 4 slide's that I have on hand. From the bottom of the slide to the bottom of the ejection port. The earliest slide is .614. A 1944 Remington rand is .600. A para p14 is .416. And a Kimber custom is .386. The only slide that has had any problems is ...............You guessed it the early slide. The flare just looks cool. It's the opening that matter's. The dented brass in the above photo most likely is the result of an ejector problem. Course I could be wrong on that since I'm not a gunsmith. But I know the importance of a tuned extractor and ejector.
12/21/2009 10:59:13 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:

Does it really increase reliability with possibly better ejection?
Thanks.


NO.  The flared ejection port does one thing and one thing only.  It makes it so your brass is less dented.  It was invented by Bullseye shooters (who ALL reload) to cut down on brass damage.
Personally, I don't think it makes that much difference on brass damage either.
12/21/2009 11:33:20 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Does it really increase reliability with possibly better ejection?
Thanks.


NO.  The flared ejection port does one thing and one thing only.  It makes it so your brass is less dented.  It was invented by Bullseye shooters (who ALL reload) to cut down on brass damage.
Personally, I don't think it makes that much difference on brass damage either.


I think that depends on the individual pistol and/or load used.
The last 1911 I owned that didn't have a lowered and flared port was back in the '80s. I did have a problem with dinged brass. Over half was unusable. This was from a Colt MkIV series 70. I had the ejection port lowered and flared and my brass stopped being dented.
I still occaisionally get 1 or 2 dented cases, but that's out of thousands of rounds fired.

Jim
12/22/2009 6:51:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Well, my Delta Elite NEEDED it. Every round of full-house 10mm ammo I shot produced a violent ejection that caused the brass to flip backwards and ding itself on the outer edge of the ejection port. Flared port, NO more dings!
12/22/2009 10:38:36 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Does it really increase reliability with possibly better ejection?
Thanks.


NO.  The flared ejection port does one thing and one thing only.  It makes it so your brass is less dented.  It was invented by Bullseye shooters (who ALL reload) to cut down on brass damage.
Personally, I don't think it makes that much difference on brass damage either.


It does another thing,
It makes it easier to cycle loaded rounds through the action.

Loaded cartridges tend to hang up in the standard port.

This may not sound important but it becomes so if you have a dud round, go to clear it and the cartridge hangs up in the port.

Several merry seconds clearing the jam of a jam can get you killed.
12/26/2009 1:03:30 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:

It does another thing,
It makes it easier to cycle loaded rounds through the action.

Loaded cartridges tend to hang up in the standard port.

This may not sound important but it becomes so if you have a dud round, go to clear it and the cartridge hangs up in the port.

Several merry seconds clearing the jam of a jam can get you killed.



Completely wrong.   The round has already cleared the port, before it can get near the flare at the back.