[ARCHIVED THREAD] - STI QUALITY (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/5/2009 6:31:56 AM EDT
| Looking at some of sti's stuff , anyone own one of their products ? Or can tell me about the quality of their guns... |
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I have 2 STI's, a Trojan in 38 super that I use for steel and a Ranger II I have used in USPSA I& IDPA matches. Never had a problem with either one in thousands of rounds. I believe they are a steep up from mass produced 1911's. Not that Kimbers and Springfeilds are bad in any way, but I don't think they get the same amount of fitting etc because of the sheer volume of guns they put out compared to STI.
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STI are good pistols they are I would say depends on model are on par with SA/Kimber and some Colts. I have never seen a Springfield, Colt or Kimber with as good of a fit as STI, at the same price level. +1 the Fit of STI makes a Colt rattle like a worn out WWII issue. |
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They are at least as good as Kimber / Springfield. They are a smaller operation and as such probably have a slightly tighter grasp on quality control than the bigger outfits. At least as good is a severe understatement... STI Sentinel Owner here... Oh, and it has fed all rounds through it 100% reliably. Rangers, HST, Sabers, and of course FMJ... I think the ramped barrel might have someting to do with that. |
you dont want an STI, they are crap. Also buying a bunch of them will drive up the prices for me. 
Seriously though, STI makes all their higher end pistols from scratch from bar stock using the most up to date CNC machines available in a little shop manned by a dozen or so folks in Georgetown Tx. I purchased a STI Tactical 5.0 a few months ago and its ridiculous how nice that pistol is. I have handled every other kind of high end 1911 that you can imagine and my is by far the smoothes. There is literally NO wobble rattle or play in the slide. Unloaded with the safety off you can grab the slide and frame and there is zero detectable movement. Its so smooth it feels like its on roller bearings and I've never had a malfunction with it that wasnt due to my reloads or the extractor needing to be tuned. The fit and finish on them is really outstanding. You can tell that the guns are made from the ground up by presicse machine and hand fitting. Now i dont know about their cheaper lines of pistols. I have head that some of the lower pirced single stacked guns come from the phillipines and are ARMSCOR or something. |
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They are at least as good as Kimber / Springfield. They are a smaller operation and as such probably have a slightly tighter grasp on quality control than the bigger outfits. At least as good is a severe understatement... STI Sentinel Owner here... I've never owned an STI but I've worked on about a dozen or so. They are what Kimber could be if they used better parts and solved their recurring problems like wavy bores and tight chambers. They are what Springfield could be if they took the time to fit their parts instead of overcutting everything so they'd drop in. STI does use some MIM and cast parts (some of the single stack frames are cast, for instance) and they have their share of issues from time to time, but they tend to actually fix their issues instead of just telling you you're using the wrong weight bullet or just test firing it and sending it back to you. Due to their popularity in competition, STIs tend to get a LOT more rounds put through them than the typical Kimber / Springfield / Colt / etc. |
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Post pics or we mock you. My wife decided she wanted something smaller and lighter, so she gave me her Trojan in .38 Super. I totally got over on her. You talking to me? http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll167/nordberg222/DSC_1841.jpg Sure. Why not. 
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The Kid across the Hall from me works for STI (back in Texas) We both attend CST for Gun Smithing.
He is extremely knowledgable of 1911's and has shown us all fine attention to details on 1911's I had Never even thought of. With respects to him and what he says of the company (and especially after handling his almost complete 2011) I would def. consider buying a firearm from STI. In fact IF I purchase another 1911... It will most likely be thier 2011... It's not even really a 1911 I guess... But a sweet piece... Double Stack .45 and it no joke feels almost as thin as a single stack.... It's amazing how slim they kept the grip... pictures do NO justice... you just have to feel it... |
| STI is one of the very few, if ANY "out of the box" stock pistols that I would trust 100% out of the box. This includes their "lower end" Trojan. I guess you could say I'm a 1911 purist, especially when it comes to cosmetics. Yet, I'm able to look past their unconventional cosmetics because I know they're kick ass pistols. |
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I just wish they would make something that looks like a 1911 and not some fantasy weapon from a video game. I know they are well made, but I just cannot get past those over done cocking serrations, and the overly large logo. They have toned down their rollmarks. Those cocking serrations work very very well. You'd be surprised. |
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I forgot to add, I talked a buddy of mine into going with the Spartan(phillipines) and it is one hole accurate at 10yrds if he does his part. The slide to frame fit was as god as my STI which was over double the cost of his.  The few I've had the chance to fire have been similar. I believe someone here had a not so great experience but was remedied. |
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I just wish they would make something that looks like a 1911 and not some fantasy weapon from a video game. I know they are well made, but I just cannot get past those over done cocking serrations, and the overly large logo. thats pure blasphemy. That big rollmark is the logo of the greatest state in the union (partially due to STI's presence there). There is a star on the floorplates for our flag as well. We dont take kindly to people talking down about our guns, and flag in theres here parts now boy! 
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I just wish they would make something that looks like a 1911 and not some fantasy weapon from a video game. I know they are well made, but I just cannot get past those over done cocking serrations, and the overly large logo. thats pure blasphemy. That big rollmark is the logo of the greatest state in the union (partially due to STI's presence there). There is a star on the floorplates for our flag as well. We dont take kindly to people talking down about our guns, and flag in theres here parts now boy! The fugly styling is one big reason I own 0 STIs and 3 SVIs. SVI makes a much better-looking gun IMO, and is also Hecho En Texas. 
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| i've looked at sti's in guns shops and never saw anything special about them. fit and finish were decent, but didn't justify their prices. guess if they were something special, they would have much more of the 1911 market share than they do. can't see myself ever buying one. |
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i've looked at sti's in guns shops and never saw anything special about them. fit and finish were decent, but didn't justify their prices. guess if they were something special, they would have much more of the 1911 market share than they do. can't see myself ever buying one. Disagreed. if anything their parts quality and over all build quality is worth more than their asking price! STI has a warm spot in the hearts of many 1911 aficianados and it is not for no reason. |
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i've looked at sti's in guns shops and never saw anything special about them. fit and finish were decent, but didn't justify their prices. guess if they were something special, they would have much more of the 1911 market share than they do. can't see myself ever buying one. Which models did you look at? Which areas of the product were you not satisfied with? Had you taken them apart to inspect all the fittings? Have you shot an STI before and compared against anything in it's price range? I would just like to know specifically, what about the STI makes it inferior to other models around the same price from other shops. STI does not have a Kimber of Springfield share of the 1911 market, but they are making more pistols than most of the semi-custom shops. For their size they have a pretty big share of the market. |
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Disagreed. big surprise there lol You need to stop crapping on threads. Provide actual reasons why you don't think their fit is good, how they don't shoot right for you, etc. Otherwise please just do not post. would you like to me run into the gun shops i've seen them in and take pictures just for you? 
never said i fired one either (might wanna actually read my post), just that i wasn't impressed with their fit (which i also did mention already LOL). and that's certainly my right, whether you like it or not. if you're intolerant of other opinions, maybe you shouldn't be on online forums..... 
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Disagreed. big surprise there lol You need to stop crapping on threads. Provide actual reasons why you don't think their fit is good, how they don't shoot right for you, etc. Otherwise please just do not post. would you like to me run into the gun shops i've seen them in and take pictures just for you?
never said i fired one either (might wanna actually read my post), just that i wasn't impressed with their fit (which i also did mention already LOL). and that's certainly my right, whether you like it or not. if you're intolerant of other opinions, maybe you shouldn't be on online forums..... http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/coolit.jpg Ok, well let's get technical. What part of the fit was not impressive? Was there any play in the slide and frame? How was the bushing? Barrel? Grip safety? |
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Disagreed. big surprise there lol You need to stop crapping on threads. Provide actual reasons why you don't think their fit is good, how they don't shoot right for you, etc. Otherwise please just do not post. would you like to me run into the gun shops i've seen them in and take pictures just for you?
never said i fired one either (might wanna actually read my post), just that i wasn't impressed with their fit (which i also did mention already LOL). and that's certainly my right, whether you like it or not. if you're intolerant of other opinions, maybe you shouldn't be on online forums..... http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/coolit.jpg Ok, well let's get technical. What part of the fit was not impressive? Was there any play in the slide and frame? How was the bushing? Barrel? Grip safety? These questions are so unreasonable....and hard to answer.. i wouldn't expect much of a responce... |
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Disagreed. big surprise there lol You need to stop crapping on threads. Provide actual reasons why you don't think their fit is good, how they don't shoot right for you, etc. Otherwise please just do not post. would you like to me run into the gun shops i've seen them in and take pictures just for you?
never said i fired one either (might wanna actually read my post), just that i wasn't impressed with their fit (which i also did mention already LOL). and that's certainly my right, whether you like it or not. if you're intolerant of other opinions, maybe you shouldn't be on online forums..... http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/coolit.jpg Ok, well let's get technical. What part of the fit was not impressive? Was there any play in the slide and frame? How was the bushing? Barrel? Grip safety? These questions are so unreasonable....and hard to answer.. i wouldn't expect much of a responce... 
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Disagreed. big surprise there lol You need to stop crapping on threads. Provide actual reasons why you don't think their fit is good, how they don't shoot right for you, etc. Otherwise please just do not post. would you like to me run into the gun shops i've seen them in and take pictures just for you?
never said i fired one either (might wanna actually read my post), just that i wasn't impressed with their fit (which i also did mention already LOL). and that's certainly my right, whether you like it or not. if you're intolerant of other opinions, maybe you shouldn't be on online forums..... http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/coolit.jpg Ok, well let's get technical. What part of the fit was not impressive? Was there any play in the slide and frame? How was the bushing? Barrel? Grip safety? slide to frame fit, trigger fit, grip safety fit..... |
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So there was play on the slide to frame? Trigger was not a clean break? Grip safety was wobbly? What model are you referring to?
See, I'd like to see your definition of 1911 fitting. Because in all the threads you post in, you recommend either a LW Champion Operator or a Para GI Expert (which are the only 1911s you own). Apples to Apples (similar configuration), an STI Ranger II has a FAR superior fit to a LW Champion. BTW I'm still waiting for all those negative reviews on Fusion. If you can find more than 1, I will buy you a Bronze membership. |
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So there was play on the slide to frame? Trigger was not a clean break? Grip safety was wobbly? What model are you referring to? See, I'd like to see your definition of 1911 fitting. Because in all the threads you post in, you recommend either a LW Champion Operator or a Para GI Expert (which are the only 1911s you own). Apples to Apples (similar configuration), an STI Ranger II has a FAR superior fit to a LW Champion. BTW I'm still waiting for all those negative reviews on Fusion. If you can find more than 1, I will buy you a Bronze membership. i disagree, sir. the sti's i've seen weren't extraordinarily loose, but their fitting wasn't on par with their price. (this is all i had stated on my original post). as for fusion, i simply stated if i were going to buy a high end 1911, i would prefer LB,EB, or wilson over fusion, based on customer feedback. 
but i respect your opinion, if you like it, that's all that matters. (a lot of folks don't like paras-but i like the one i have, so i'm a happy camper  )
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So there was play on the slide to frame? Trigger was not a clean break? Grip safety was wobbly? What model are you referring to? See, I'd like to see your definition of 1911 fitting. Because in all the threads you post in, you recommend either a LW Champion Operator or a Para GI Expert (which are the only 1911s you own). Apples to Apples (similar configuration), an STI Ranger II has a FAR superior fit to a LW Champion. BTW I'm still waiting for all those negative reviews on Fusion. If you can find more than 1, I will buy you a Bronze membership. i disagree, sir. the sti's i've seen weren't extraordinarily loose, but their fitting wasn't on par with their price. (this is all i had stated on my original post). as for fusion, i simply stated if i were going to buy a high end 1911, i would prefer LB,EB, or wilson over fusion, based on customer feedback.
but i respect your opinion, if you like it, that's all that matters. (a lot of folks don't like paras-but i like the one i have, so i'm a happy camper )I have never seen an STI that was loose, period. Again, what models did you look at? You also stated there were "many" people not satisfied with their Fusion pistol, and said a Google search would turn up these reviews. I have asked several times for this proof and you were not able to supply it. I hope at least you can understand why pretty much everyone in the 1911 forums disregards your opinion. Having an opinion is fine. Making stuff up because you saw one bad review is something entirely different. And labeling brands you know little or nothing about is generally frowned upon. |
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So there was play on the slide to frame? Trigger was not a clean break? Grip safety was wobbly? What model are you referring to? See, I'd like to see your definition of 1911 fitting. Because in all the threads you post in, you recommend either a LW Champion Operator or a Para GI Expert (which are the only 1911s you own). Apples to Apples (similar configuration), an STI Ranger II has a FAR superior fit to a LW Champion. BTW I'm still waiting for all those negative reviews on Fusion. If you can find more than 1, I will buy you a Bronze membership. i disagree, sir. the sti's i've seen weren't extraordinarily loose, but their fitting wasn't on par with their price. (this is all i had stated on my original post). as for fusion, i simply stated if i were going to buy a high end 1911, i would prefer LB,EB, or wilson over fusion, based on customer feedback.
but i respect your opinion, if you like it, that's all that matters. (a lot of folks don't like paras-but i like the one i have, so i'm a happy camper )I have never seen an STI that was loose, period. Again, what models did you look at? You also stated there were "many" people not satisfied with their Fusion pistol, and said a Google search would turn up these reviews. I have asked several times for this proof and you were not able to supply it. I hope at least you can understand why pretty much everyone in the 1911 forums disregards your opinion. Having an opinion is fine. Making stuff up because you saw one bad review is something entirely different. And labeling brands you know little or nothing about is generally frowned upon. STI has a low end and a high end product and you two need to get a room...
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now this is a Q custom spartan that catches my eye: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/hlc/1-5.jpg That's a Trojan. The Spartan doesn't have the scalloped frontstrap. |
