[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Which semi custom.. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/29/2009 6:19:59 PM EDT
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I bought a TRP Operator recently....thinking it would satisfy my desire for another 1911...but of course I want another. This time I plan to step it up some.
Which option would you choose...and why over the others if you don't mind. ETA: I forgot to put the Springfield Professional on the poll, so you'll just have to post if you vote that one 
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Nighthawk GRP just cuz it looks so different from the rest. 
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My Les Baer Thunder Ranch has been flawless, and is an excellent example of a fine work of art.
And why are you referring to these as "semi-customs?" Nighthawk, Les Baer, and Wilson are custom pistols, not semi-customs. Kimber, Springfield, and Colt's high-end guns are semi-customs. Am I wrong? |
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I had the same dilema. I bought my TRP Operator thinking it would be the end-all 1911 for me. I then started getting into the semi-customs, and I have since acquired a Nighthawk GRP, and a Baer Custom Carry. All the guns you listed are good choices. I voted for the NH Talon, mainly based on the features of that particular model. With the checkering on the rear of the slide, serrated slide top, and the magwell, it's a step up from some of the other choices. Probably a bit more $ though. That being said I'd love to add a Wilson and/or Brown to the collection. Grass is always greener I guess.
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I bought a TRP Operator recently....thinking it would satisfy my desire for another 1911...but of course I want another. This time I plan to step it up some. Which option would you choose...and why over the others if you don't mind. ETA: I forgot to put the Springfield Professional on the poll, so you'll just have to post if you vote that one |
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the only thing i don't like about wilsons (other than the fact that they're ridiculously overpriced) are the slide serrations. they are way too shallow to get a good grip to pull back the slide. a gun shop worker and i could hardly get the slide back on one of those commander sized wilsons (don't remember the model name). it took several tries from each of us, he couldn't do it, but i finally did. wilson's teflon based finish only adds to that problem.
as for nighthawk, their putting out some real crappers for $3,000. just google "nighthawk 1911 reviews". you'll see some poor quality craftsmanship that you've never even seen on $500 1911's. i know their all not that way, but it seems to happen a lot with nighthawk, and at $3,000 a gun, that's some bullshit. especially considering you cannot see one before you buy it. |
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i would get the springer pro. great gun, plus you get springer's lifetime warranty. none of the other high end 1911 makers have a lifetime warranty. I know both Nighthawk and Fusion have lifetime warranties. neither one of these makers advertises lifetime warranties on their websites. i was referring to a lifetime warranty in writing, like springer. not just an employee of the maker simply promising they will take care of any probs for the lifetime of the firearm |
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Have you also considered a Fusion? have only heard mention of them but haven't even looked at them. Do tell I would consider it at the very least. They are going to be less expensive than most of the aforementioned and it's up there in quality. Most of all, Bob Serva (founder/owner of Fusion) is fantastic to work with. Fusion will do almost any caliber in any configuration you want with any finish you want. The guy knows his shit and is pleasant to talk to and email if you have problems. The drawback is that there is a 3-6 month backorder right now, unless you want to satisfy your immediate needs on gunbroker with a pre-configured model. Check out the Fusion section of 1911forum.com and Bob has a LOT of pictures in the top thread. I will say, that if Fusion did not exist, I would probably get an Ed Brown or a Springy Professional. |
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Have you also considered a Fusion? have only heard mention of them but haven't even looked at them. Do tell I would consider it at the very least. They are going to be less expensive than most of the aforementioned and it's up there in quality. Most of all, Bob Serva (founder/owner of Fusion) is fantastic to work with. Fusion will do almost any caliber in any configuration you want with any finish you want. The guy knows his shit and is pleasant to talk to and email if you have problems. The drawback is that there is a 3-6 month backorder right now, unless you want to satisfy your immediate needs on gunbroker with a pre-configured model. Check out the Fusion section of 1911forum.com and Bob has a LOT of pictures in the top thread. I will say, that if Fusion did not exist, I would probably get an Ed Brown or a Springy Professional. lol also google "fusion 1911 reviews", there's a lot of unhappy folks that got some bad stuff from them and fusion refused to resolve their issues. if you want a good high end 1911, go with brown, baer, wilson, or springer pro. stay away from nighthawk and fusion. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you also considered a Fusion? have only heard mention of them but haven't even looked at them. Do tell I would consider it at the very least. They are going to be less expensive than most of the aforementioned and it's up there in quality. Most of all, Bob Serva (founder/owner of Fusion) is fantastic to work with. Fusion will do almost any caliber in any configuration you want with any finish you want. The guy knows his shit and is pleasant to talk to and email if you have problems. The drawback is that there is a 3-6 month backorder right now, unless you want to satisfy your immediate needs on gunbroker with a pre-configured model. Check out the Fusion section of 1911forum.com and Bob has a LOT of pictures in the top thread. I will say, that if Fusion did not exist, I would probably get an Ed Brown or a Springy Professional. lol also google "fusion 1911 reviews", there's a lot of unhappy folks that got some bad stuff from them and fusion refused to resolve their issues. if you want a good high end 1911, go with brown, baer, wilson, or springer pro. stay away from nighthawk and fusion. Do you even know what you are talking about? Seriously, what does "a lot" mean to you? Because I found the thread you read so hastily and it's here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4608639 The guy had an issue, didn't give Fusion a chance to fix it, bought something else. {REMOVED} - SGB Read the other sites that state "Fusion is a great gun for the money", which is pretty much the concensus around the 1911 community. Anyone that has ever posted an issue, was quickly resolved by Fusion. I have one Fusion gun and I intend to make my next purchase a Nighthawk. I don't benefit in any way of Fusion's success, which I'm sure they will continue to have. {REMOVED} - SGB |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you also considered a Fusion? have only heard mention of them but haven't even looked at them. Do tell I would consider it at the very least. They are going to be less expensive than most of the aforementioned and it's up there in quality. Most of all, Bob Serva (founder/owner of Fusion) is fantastic to work with. Fusion will do almost any caliber in any configuration you want with any finish you want. The guy knows his shit and is pleasant to talk to and email if you have problems. The drawback is that there is a 3-6 month backorder right now, unless you want to satisfy your immediate needs on gunbroker with a pre-configured model. Check out the Fusion section of 1911forum.com and Bob has a LOT of pictures in the top thread. I will say, that if Fusion did not exist, I would probably get an Ed Brown or a Springy Professional. lol also google "fusion 1911 reviews", there's a lot of unhappy folks that got some bad stuff from them and fusion refused to resolve their issues. if you want a good high end 1911, go with brown, baer, wilson, or springer pro. stay away from nighthawk and fusion. Do you even know what you are talking about? Seriously, what does "a lot" mean to you? Because I found the thread you read so hastily and it's here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4608639 The guy had an issue, didn't give Fusion a chance to fix it, bought something else. {REMOVED} - SGB Read the other sites that state "Fusion is a great gun for the money", which is pretty much the concensus around the 1911 community. Anyone that has ever posted an issue, was quickly resolved by Fusion. I have one Fusion gun and I intend to make my next purchase a Nighthawk. I don't benefit in any way of Fusion's success, which I'm sure they will continue to have. {REMOVED} - SGB there are actually way more than one seriously bad review of fusion (and nighthawk.) i actually considered these brands at one point myself, but decided against it based on all the bad reviews i've seen. unlike some folks, i learn from others mistakes, and use their experiences to my benefit. but hey, if you wanna buy some more of those brands and keep pressing your luck, go right ahead buddy :), they're all yours!  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you also considered a Fusion? have only heard mention of them but haven't even looked at them. Do tell I would consider it at the very least. They are going to be less expensive than most of the aforementioned and it's up there in quality. Most of all, Bob Serva (founder/owner of Fusion) is fantastic to work with. Fusion will do almost any caliber in any configuration you want with any finish you want. The guy knows his shit and is pleasant to talk to and email if you have problems. The drawback is that there is a 3-6 month backorder right now, unless you want to satisfy your immediate needs on gunbroker with a pre-configured model. Check out the Fusion section of 1911forum.com and Bob has a LOT of pictures in the top thread. I will say, that if Fusion did not exist, I would probably get an Ed Brown or a Springy Professional. lol also google "fusion 1911 reviews", there's a lot of unhappy folks that got some bad stuff from them and fusion refused to resolve their issues. if you want a good high end 1911, go with brown, baer, wilson, or springer pro. stay away from nighthawk and fusion. Do you even know what you are talking about? Seriously, what does "a lot" mean to you? Because I found the thread you read so hastily and it's here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4608639 The guy had an issue, didn't give Fusion a chance to fix it, bought something else. {REMOVED} - SGB Read the other sites that state "Fusion is a great gun for the money", which is pretty much the concensus around the 1911 community. Anyone that has ever posted an issue, was quickly resolved by Fusion. I have one Fusion gun and I intend to make my next purchase a Nighthawk. I don't benefit in any way of Fusion's success, which I'm sure they will continue to have. {REMOVED} - SGB there are actually way more than one seriously bad review of fusion (and nighthawk.) i actually considered these brands at one point myself, but decided against it based on all the bad reviews i've seen. unlike some folks, i learn from others mistakes, and use their experiences to my benefit. but hey, if you wanna buy some more of those brands and keep pressing your luck, go right ahead buddy :), they're all yours! Show me another thread of a bad review of Fusion, other than the one that I linked above (which again is bullshit because the guy did not address his issues with Bob). And while you're at it, show me a bad review of a Nighthawk as well. {REMOVED} - SGB |
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I was formally a big proponent of Fusion, particularly after Bob turned DW around, but having seen one of their guns in person I was a bit underwhelmed, the more so since their prices have crept up into Baer territory.
You're paying for the privilege of picking from a large catalogue of parts to have a gun built more or less as you want it, but the level of fit and finish was not commensurate with the price asked. Not horrible, but certainly no better than a DW at about 2/3 the price. I would take less options and a better built gun. If they were still in the business of building 1911's I would have said RRA, but it's hard to go wrong with Wilson, Baer, Brown, or the Springer Pro. Pick the one that has the features, finish and look that appeals to you most. I've bought most of my higher end 1911's very gently used and it's not a bad way to go...It's also worth noting that Wilson and Springfield will unquestioningly look after you if something does go wrong.. FoxnewsFTW: 
meh....passable I s'pose........
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you also considered a Fusion? have only heard mention of them but haven't even looked at them. Do tell I would consider it at the very least. They are going to be less expensive than most of the aforementioned and it's up there in quality. Most of all, Bob Serva (founder/owner of Fusion) is fantastic to work with. Fusion will do almost any caliber in any configuration you want with any finish you want. The guy knows his shit and is pleasant to talk to and email if you have problems. The drawback is that there is a 3-6 month backorder right now, unless you want to satisfy your immediate needs on gunbroker with a pre-configured model. Check out the Fusion section of 1911forum.com and Bob has a LOT of pictures in the top thread. I will say, that if Fusion did not exist, I would probably get an Ed Brown or a Springy Professional. lol also google "fusion 1911 reviews", there's a lot of unhappy folks that got some bad stuff from them and fusion refused to resolve their issues. if you want a good high end 1911, go with brown, baer, wilson, or springer pro. stay away from nighthawk and fusion. Do you even know what you are talking about? Seriously, what does "a lot" mean to you? Because I found the thread you read so hastily and it's here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4608639 The guy had an issue, didn't give Fusion a chance to fix it, bought something else. {REMOVED} - SGB Read the other sites that state "Fusion is a great gun for the money", which is pretty much the concensus around the 1911 community. Anyone that has ever posted an issue, was quickly resolved by Fusion. I have one Fusion gun and I intend to make my next purchase a Nighthawk. I don't benefit in any way of Fusion's success, which I'm sure they will continue to have. {REMOVED} - SGB there are actually way more than one seriously bad review of fusion (and nighthawk.) i actually considered these brands at one point myself, but decided against it based on all the bad reviews i've seen. unlike some folks, i learn from others mistakes, and use their experiences to my benefit. but hey, if you wanna buy some more of those brands and keep pressing your luck, go right ahead buddy :), they're all yours! Show me another thread of a bad review of Fusion, other than the one that I linked above (which again is bullshit because the guy did not address his issues with Bob). And while you're at it, show me a bad review of a Nighthawk as well. {REMOVED} - SGB or what? you trying to "cyber bully" me? LMAO  sounds like you're getting a little upset there, buddy. might wanna wipe away the tears and cool off some.  just because you turn a blind eye to certain obvious facts, doesn't mean we should all do the same. and like i said, anyone can simply use google, as i prescribed, to see exactly what i mean. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you also considered a Fusion? have only heard mention of them but haven't even looked at them. Do tell I would consider it at the very least. They are going to be less expensive than most of the aforementioned and it's up there in quality. Most of all, Bob Serva (founder/owner of Fusion) is fantastic to work with. Fusion will do almost any caliber in any configuration you want with any finish you want. The guy knows his shit and is pleasant to talk to and email if you have problems. The drawback is that there is a 3-6 month backorder right now, unless you want to satisfy your immediate needs on gunbroker with a pre-configured model. Check out the Fusion section of 1911forum.com and Bob has a LOT of pictures in the top thread. I will say, that if Fusion did not exist, I would probably get an Ed Brown or a Springy Professional. lol also google "fusion 1911 reviews", there's a lot of unhappy folks that got some bad stuff from them and fusion refused to resolve their issues. if you want a good high end 1911, go with brown, baer, wilson, or springer pro. stay away from nighthawk and fusion. Do you even know what you are talking about? Seriously, what does "a lot" mean to you? Because I found the thread you read so hastily and it's here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4608639 The guy had an issue, didn't give Fusion a chance to fix it, bought something else. {REMOVED} - SGB Read the other sites that state "Fusion is a great gun for the money", which is pretty much the concensus around the 1911 community. Anyone that has ever posted an issue, was quickly resolved by Fusion. I have one Fusion gun and I intend to make my next purchase a Nighthawk. I don't benefit in any way of Fusion's success, which I'm sure they will continue to have. {REMOVED} - SGB. there are actually way more than one seriously bad review of fusion (and nighthawk.) i actually considered these brands at one point myself, but decided against it based on all the bad reviews i've seen. unlike some folks, i learn from others mistakes, and use their experiences to my benefit. but hey, if you wanna buy some more of those brands and keep pressing your luck, go right ahead buddy :), they're all yours! Show me another thread of a bad review of Fusion, other than the one that I linked above (which again is bullshit because the guy did not address his issues with Bob). And while you're at it, show me a bad review of a Nighthawk as well. {REMOVED} - SGB or what? you trying to "cyber bully" me? LMAO sounds like you're getting a little upset there, buddy. might wanna cool off some. just because your completely ignorant to certain obvious facts, doesn't mean we should all be. and like i said, anyone can simply use google, as i prescribed, to see exactly what i mean. {REMOVED} - SGB |
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around $2400 -$2600 new, as low as $1500 used but more often $1800-$200 used.
I bought a 2007 used one in great condition with all the mags, kit and certificate, plus a host of extra mags, grips and a holster for under $2000. checky here.... |
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around $2400 -$2600 new, as low as $1500 used but more often $1800-$200 used. I bought a 2007 used one in great condition with all the mags, kit and certificate, plus a host of extra mags, grips and a holster for under $2000. checky here.... thanx for the info, those are sweet as heyell 
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Quoted: My Les Baer Thunder Ranch has been flawless, and is an excellent example of a fine work of art. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/jerrellwise/1911%20Pics/0909181337b.jpg http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/jerrellwise/1911%20Pics/0909181411.jpg And why are you referring to these as "semi-customs?" Nighthawk, Les Baer, and Wilson are custom pistols, not semi-customs. Kimber, Springfield, and Colt's high-end guns are semi-customs. Am I wrong? Wilson, Baer, Brown etc are considered by most to be Semi Custom .......... Kimber, Colt etc are production guns. |
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nice. now why didn't you put that one in my "calling all operators" thread instead of that kimber? lol |
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My Les Baer Thunder Ranch has been flawless, and is an excellent example of a fine work of art. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/jerrellwise/1911%20Pics/0909181337b.jpg http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/jerrellwise/1911%20Pics/0909181411.jpg And why are you referring to these as "semi-customs?" Nighthawk, Les Baer, and Wilson are custom pistols, not semi-customs. Kimber, Springfield, and Colt's high-end guns are semi-customs. Am I wrong? Wilson, Baer, Brown etc are considered by most to be Semi Custom .......... Kimber, Colt etc are production guns. This. |
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Quoted: nice. now why didn't you put that one in my "calling all operators" thread instead of that kimber? lol Operators have a rail ................. ............ besides the Kimber isn't 100% Kimber.  |
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I picked the TRS because I dont like the Chain Link on the Special Forces. Wilson and Nighthawk, not for me. The price Id have a Miller Custom or something built off a Colt or Baer frame and slide or even the TRP. I just dont see the point of spending more than 2500 bucks on a production pistol with options. Which is what they are to me. |
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just thinking, are the high end 1911's $1-$2,000 more accurate and reliable than my champion operator? doubt it, as my champ feeds all and shoots one CLEAN hole all day long (and all for less than $900). are various options like the inside being polished so you can't see machining marks worth $2,500? maybe to some, not to me. i would love to have a kobra karry or a baer trs. and if i had money to burn i would get a high end 1911, but unless my economic status changes, it's just not worth it to me. |
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I just dont see the point of spending more than 2500 bucks on a production pistol with options. Which is what they are to me. I wouldn't call them production guns. I called Wilson and put a deposit on a CQB Elite in 10mm. The wait will be three months because they are building it for me. The features I want , the finish I want etc. It will be hand fitted and finished. Not exactly production in my book. If they have to build it for you it's not really like it's from a production line.I'm far from rich but I've been working my ass off so I'll get what I want. I own a Springfield Loaded and it's pretty nice but some of the MIM parts have taken a crap on me.I had a Colt and it was accurate as hell but in the reliability it was a piece of crap...I traded it and some cash for my M1A and was for the better. |
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Quoted: just thinking, are the high end 1911's $1-$2,000 more accurate and reliable than my champion operator? doubt it, as my champ feeds all and shoots one CLEAN hole all day long (and all for less than $900). are various options like the inside being polished so you can't see machining marks worth $2,500? maybe to some, not to me. i would love to have a kobra karry or a baer trs. and if i had money to burn i would get a high end 1911, but unless my economic status changes, it's just not worth it to me. Ive owned a few Springfields over the years. Some would say a lot of them including an older TM and a TRP. They all fed great except for a V10. But lets be honest, Springfields 1911s are not going to shoot one hole groups past 7yds until you get into the Custom Shop guns. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I just dont see the point of spending more than 2500 bucks on a production pistol with options. Which is what they are to me. I wouldn't call them production guns. I called Wilson and put a deposit on a CQB Elite in 10mm. The wait will be three months because they are building it for me. The features I want , the finish I want etc. It will be hand fitted and finished. Not exactly production in my book. If they have to build it for you it's not really like it's from a production line.I'm far from rich but I've been working my ass off so I'll get what I want. I own a Springfield Loaded and it's pretty nice but some of the MIM parts have taken a crap on me.I had a Colt and it was accurate as hell but in the reliability it was a piece of crap...I traded it and some cash for my M1A and was for the better. To me Production is their parts passed around by more than one or two guys. Custom is collecting a bunch of parts from different companies because they suit you and having them handfitted, maybe a slide stop cut and checkered on the underside. Trim a thumbsafety etc. All done by a one man with maybe an apprentice in the shop. I'll admit, I like Browns parts and it played a big part in my decision to go with them. But it was a compromise, Id like to had a Kings thumbsafety for example. Just how I feel, no right or wrong its all semantics. |
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To me Production is their parts passed around by more than one or two guys. Custom is collecting a bunch of parts from different companies because they suit you and having them handfitted, maybe a slide stop cut and checkered on the underside. Trim a thumbsafety etc. All done by a one man with maybe an apprentice in the shop. I'll admit, I like Browns parts and it played a big part in my decision to go with them. But it was a compromise, Id like to had a Kings thumbsafety for example. Just how I feel, no right or wrong its all semantics. Well put...I have replaced many of the MIM parts in my SA with Browns parts. I do know one thing...the Wilson that's on order will not be my last 1911. They are simple the best handgun for me.I've shot more than I can remember and it all comes back to shooting that first 1911.I was hooked.
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Keep the replys coming guys appreciate the input.
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So what would you do now if you knew what you're going to know when? Buy several $750 - $1500 1911's over a few years or buy one $3000-$5000 pistol that is the end point of your 1911 desires? Very individual answer. A nice production gun (DW Valor) is enough to make me happy. Maybe a semi-custom will do it for you. Maybe not. Well, I've owned 3 different ones. (not many in some books) A Para SSP (still own) Springer GI (Sold, not due to problems) and the TRP Operator. I haven't been unhappy with any of these guns. They've all been accurate and reliable. Honestly there's nothing any of the higher end guns will do that the TRP I've already got won't, other than outshoot me by a little more. To answer the question, I probably would have just jumped into the higher end models, but it may just be a "grass is always greener thing" so I better buy one of find out!
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All of the guns you listed are great! Ive owned a Baer, DW, and a NH, and loved them all... But, the only one I own today is my full custom Chuck Warner!!! It was the only 1911 to actually satisfy all my wants in a 1911... Chuck Warner comes on this board from time to time and is a great guy to deal with... If your going to go into those kinds of price ranges you may as well go FULL custom!
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All of the guns you listed are great! Ive owned a Baer, DW, and a NH, and loved them all... But, the only one I own today is my full custom Chuck Warner!!! It was the only 1911 to actually satisfy all my wants in a 1911... Chuck Warner comes on this board from time to time and is a great guy to deal with... If your going to go into those kinds of price ranges you may as well go FULL custom! http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/criminal-poet/001-13.jpg http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/criminal-poet/003-1.jpg http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/criminal-poet/005-4.jpg That's a damn fine looking pistol you have there. |
| In reference to the Fusion, I do not own one (yet), nor do represent them or turn a blind eye to negative reviews online. I have handled a bunch of them, and I do have one on order that will most likely be completed around December. I have the luxury of living about 15 minutes from Bob Serva (Fusion owner). When I was looking around for my first 1911, I read the forums, did the google searches, handled the different manufacturers, and asked people. I narrowed my search to a few, and Fusion was near the top. I considered price, quality, aesthetics, options, and customer service. I found negative reviews on EVERY gun manufacturer in some form. The point is, don't let the experiences of a handful of people be your sole influence when buying anything. I'm sure you'll be happy with many of the suggestions in this thread. They are all quality manufacturers. After meeting and talking with Bob, I knew that I'd found the man to make my first 1911. I have complete confidence that my pistol will be everything I envisioned. If not, Bob is the type of guy that will make it right.......period. |
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My next handgun is going to be an Ed-Brown railed 5inch Special Forces. There bad ass. I voted Ed Brown as well because I just picked up my Special Forces, without the rail, tonight! I haven't got to shoot it yet but I will hopefully get to tomorrow or sunday. |
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Good stuff guys, I keep looking at everything and drooling
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All of the guns you listed are great! Ive owned a Baer, DW, and a NH, and loved them all... But, the only one I own today is my full custom Chuck Warner!!! It was the only 1911 to actually satisfy all my wants in a 1911... Chuck Warner comes on this board from time to time and is a great guy to deal with... If your going to go into those kinds of price ranges you may as well go FULL custom! http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/criminal-poet/001-13.jpg http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/criminal-poet/003-1.jpg http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/criminal-poet/005-4.jpg That is a beautiful gun, if you don't mind my asking, how much would something like that run you? PM is fine if you feel like disclosing. |