Posted: 3/9/2009 12:05:44 PM EDT
So a friend asked me if I'd like a brand new replacement barrel for my Springfield TRP. Now there is nothing wrong with the barrel already in it mind you.... but free is kind of hard to turn down.  I've never heard of the maker and wanted to get some feed back from the hive mind....its a bull barrel and will require some fitting I assume.
Schuemann Barrel Anyone know anything about these barrels? According to my buddy they are used by STI for all their guns. |
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One of the best barrel makers out there, if not the best. STI just started using Schueman barrels and only on a few of the higher end guns. SVI has used Schueman for years, They stopped (I think SVI makes everthing in house now) and STI picked them. Hey thanks for the info! I have 4 STI and they don't have Scheuman barrels so this was news to me. Well, at the least the older ones don't. The new Ranger II might. So now I need to decide if the Springfield would like a new bull barrel. 
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| Schuemann makes two grades of barrels. His standard barrel has standard rifling and is similar in quality to pretty much all the other premium barrels. His AET barrels have gain-twist rifling and chamber flutes (like HK P7) which improve accuracy to MOA. That's right, his barrels shoot MOA (.5" at 50 yards) from a barrel fixture. The best standard barrels can't touch that. |
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Schuemann makes two grades of barrels. His standard barrel has standard rifling and is similar in quality to pretty much all the other premium barrels. His AET barrels have gain-twist rifling and chamber flutes (like HK P7) which improve accuracy to MOA. That's right, his barrels shoot MOA (.5" at 50 yards) from a barrel fixture. The best standard barrels can't touch that. 
I was doing some research when I got home....I didn't read that anywhere but dang! I shot my friend an email and told him I would pick it up tomorrow! He said it was non-ramped so should require minimal fitting to my Springfield TRP. I had planned on getting my TRP into Ken over at Crawley Custom this weekend but it sounds like I should hold off until I get the new barrel and a new guide rod before sending it into the shop for work. EDIT: Ok...I DID find info on their site.... Our second analysis, intended to determine the optimum twist for 1911 pistol barrels, identified 24 inch twist as the optimum twist. Using our 38 Super, as an example, a 24 inch twist will minimally stabilize a 170 grain bullet while simultaneously it will somewhat overstabilize 124 grain bullets, but without noticably degrading their accuracy. Experimental work confirmed these predictions. We have therefore used the 24 inch twist exclusively with our AET barrels and excellent accuracy has resulted with 38 Super, 9x19, 40S&W, and 45ACP AET barrels, often sub-one inch accuracy at 50 yards. |
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I have had a Shuemann Ultimatch in a .40 1911 commander and it was a very accurate barrel (this was before the AET type came out). Keep in mind they make both types, so yours may not be AET, but it is still worth getting. It is on par with Bar-Sto, Clark, etc.
A thing to know is normally they hold their chamber dimensions to minimal specs - one of the tricks for accuracy. This is true of their higher-end match and AET barrels. So this is not a "combat" style barrel - out of spec ammo will probably give it trouble. If you reload, get a Lee Full length Crimp die, which will return your round to spec after seating. Commercial ammo should not be a problem. Reloads from other sources may be. This is not a given, but just keep it in mind if after it is all fit you find reloads not feeding or extracting properly (usually it is an FTE problem). You will think it is your extractor at first, but it's probably the ammo. Since this is an bull (Ultimatch) barrel, this means your slide still needs to have enough material to mate to the barrel without a bushing. The gun will also be noticeably heavier, since you know have all that extra steel right at the muzzle (this is not a bad thing - it's part of the appeal - reduced muzzle flip). It is possible that when fitting the barrel and bushing on your TRP that it got fitted and won't work with the Shuemann now. Just keep that in mind. If that is the case, I'd then go buy a Caspian frame/slide kit and build a new gun around the barrel. Since your TRP is already supposed to come with a match grade fitted barrel, I'd be tempted to leave it alone and go this way, anyway. Just a thought. I'd also consider bench resting the TRP and seeing how accurate it is; if it's very accurate, leave it alone and just go build a new gun around the new barrel. Since it seems you have many 1911s this doesn't seem like a stretch! Anyway, just some thoughts about what I would do in that situation or think about. Hope you enjoy it. |
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I have had a Shuemann Ultimatch in a .40 1911 commander and it was a very accurate barrel (this was before the AET type came out). Keep in mind they make both types, so yours may not be AET, but it is still worth getting. It is on par with Bar-Sto, Clark, etc. A thing to know is normally they hold their chamber dimensions to minimal specs - one of the tricks for accuracy. This is true of their higher-end match and AET barrels. So this is not a "combat" style barrel - out of spec ammo will probably give it trouble. If you reload, get a Lee Full length Crimp die, which will return your round to spec after seating. Commercial ammo should not be a problem. Reloads from other sources may be. This is not a given, but just keep it in mind if after it is all fit you find reloads not feeding or extracting properly (usually it is an FTE problem). You will think it is your extractor at first, but it's probably the ammo. Since this is an bull (Ultimatch) barrel, this means your slide still needs to have enough material to mate to the barrel without a bushing. The gun will also be noticeably heavier, since you know have all that extra steel right at the muzzle (this is not a bad thing - it's part of the appeal - reduced muzzle flip). It is possible that when fitting the barrel and bushing on your TRP that it got fitted and won't work with the Shuemann now. Just keep that in mind. If that is the case, I'd then go buy a Caspian frame/slide kit and build a new gun around the barrel. Since your TRP is already supposed to come with a match grade fitted barrel, I'd be tempted to leave it alone and go this way, anyway. Just a thought. I'd also consider bench resting the TRP and seeing how accurate it is; if it's very accurate, leave it alone and just go build a new gun around the new barrel. Since it seems you have many 1911s this doesn't seem like a stretch! Anyway, just some thoughts about what I would do in that situation or think about. Hope you enjoy it. Hmmm, alll good points. I'm actually in mid discussion with Miller Custom at present on a new build so that may be the perfect place for this barrel rather then altering the TRP. My buddy is sure its one of the new AET barrels but isn't sure if it is a bull or not. It was a trade for work he did and never used. He has it at his dads workshop where he does a lot of work on his guns since his father has all the metal work mills and lathes. LOL If its a bull, I'll go the route of using it for the Miller Custom. If it isn't a bull....would it be worth proceeding to use with the TRP? I'm thinking so seeing I was already in the process of having Crawley Custom fit the TRP with a new thick bushing and plug from EGW. |
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I have had a Shuemann Ultimatch in a .40 1911 commander and it was a very accurate barrel (this was before the AET type came out). Keep in mind they make both types, so yours may not be AET, but it is still worth getting. It is on par with Bar-Sto, Clark, etc. A thing to know is normally they hold their chamber dimensions to minimal specs - one of the tricks for accuracy. This is true of their higher-end match and AET barrels. So this is not a "combat" style barrel - out of spec ammo will probably give it trouble. If you reload, get a Lee Full length Crimp die, which will return your round to spec after seating. Commercial ammo should not be a problem. Reloads from other sources may be. This is not a given, but just keep it in mind if after it is all fit you find reloads not feeding or extracting properly (usually it is an FTE problem). You will think it is your extractor at first, but it's probably the ammo. Since this is an bull (Ultimatch) barrel, this means your slide still needs to have enough material to mate to the barrel without a bushing. The gun will also be noticeably heavier, since you know have all that extra steel right at the muzzle (this is not a bad thing - it's part of the appeal - reduced muzzle flip). It is possible that when fitting the barrel and bushing on your TRP that it got fitted and won't work with the Shuemann now. Just keep that in mind. If that is the case, I'd then go buy a Caspian frame/slide kit and build a new gun around the barrel. Since your TRP is already supposed to come with a match grade fitted barrel, I'd be tempted to leave it alone and go this way, anyway. Just a thought. I'd also consider bench resting the TRP and seeing how accurate it is; if it's very accurate, leave it alone and just go build a new gun around the new barrel. Since it seems you have many 1911s this doesn't seem like a stretch! Anyway, just some thoughts about what I would do in that situation or think about. Hope you enjoy it. AET chamber specs are standard. They are not tighter than normal. They achieve their accuracy through the gain-twist rifling and chamber flutes rather than by tightening the chamber. This way reliability is preserved. A TRP does not have a match-grade fitted barrel. It has a Storm Lake barrel that is tighter than GI spec, but nowhere near "fitted". Generally, a GI spec 1911 will shoot 3" groups, a TRP 2" and a Custom 1" at 25 yards with handloads. |