Posted: 12/29/2008 11:28:46 AM EDT
| Hey guys , I seen a brand new Springfield Pro today, but I`m all tapped out because of Christmas and can`t afford to buy it right now. I seen it at Mark`s Outdoors in Vestavia Hills , Alabama. It was $ 2,895 , ask for John. |
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Glad I got mine for $1040 + tax  http://home.tiscali.nl/wildwizard/smileys2/jawdrop.gif Trust me, we ALL hate him for it. |
| I had almost 13k rounds through one of my PRO's and quite a few K through a few other. I own and have owned guns built by Vickers, Rogers, Yost, EGW, Wilson etc. The PRO is worth everything you pay and then some. Unless you have owned one its maybe a little tough to judge. |
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I have heard that the Pro is one of the best 1911s that you can get for under $2500. I have never heard a bad thing about them. I think the fact that Springfield also makes $600 1911s makes people think they can't put a super high quality 1911 together. And where does one find a Professional for under $2500? |
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I have heard that the Pro is one of the best 1911s that you can get for under $2500. I have never heard a bad thing about them. I think the fact that Springfield also makes $600 1911s makes people think they can't put a super high quality 1911 together. And where does one find a Professional for under $2500? This may have been the Pros before they went up. I'm sure they compare well to $3k guns also. |
| Other than the fancy finish (and I'm not even sure that's true), how is a $2400 1911 any better than a $750 S&W1911 which is accurate and 100% reliable? I can understand paying that kind of money for gun with special features, like a limited production race gun. But not for a gun with only "standard" features. |
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Other than the fancy finish (and I'm not even sure that's true), how is a $2400 1911 any better than a $750 S&W1911 which is accurate and 100% reliable? I can understand paying that kind of money for gun with special features, like a limited production race gun. But not for a gun with only "standard" features. A $2500 Springfield Pro is fitted better and is more accurate than your S&W. |
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Hey guys , I seen a brand new Springfield Pro today, but I`m all tapped out because of Christmas and can`t afford to buy it right now. I seen it at Mark`s Outdoors in Vestavia Hills , Alabama. It was $ 2,895 , ask for John. It better be gold for that price. I hope you walked away, I think he is about $500 over priced. Is he the only dealer in the state? |
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Quoted: Oh please!!!Mechanically, you cannot improve on the Pro. They are good, don't get me wrong; but with the constant improvements and advancements in production methods and materials they can and will get better. Like someone else typed earlier an undercut trigger guard would improve it for a higher grip hold. |
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Other than the fancy finish (and I'm not even sure that's true), how is a $2400 1911 any better than a $750 S&W1911 which is accurate and 100% reliable? I can understand paying that kind of money for gun with special features, like a limited production race gun. But not for a gun with only "standard" features. For some like myself a standard production gun does not have the features I want. I have asked the same question as you did in the past. Then I bought a Les Baer TRS and the difference became clear to me. I use my TRS as my duty gun. I have shot a Springer Pro and believe they are worth every penny. I will be picking one up in the future. |
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Oh please!!!
Mechanically, you cannot improve on the Pro. They are good, don't get me wrong; but with the constant improvements and advancements in production methods and materials they can and will get better. Like someone else typed earlier an undercut trigger guard would improve it for a higher grip hold. The undercut is an issue of ergonomics, not mechanics. Please tell us how one can improve the Pro mechanically. What can they do? |
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Oh please!!!
Mechanically, you cannot improve on the Pro. They are good, don't get me wrong; but with the constant improvements and advancements in production methods and materials they can and will get better. Like someone else typed earlier an undercut trigger guard would improve it for a higher grip hold. The undercut is an issue of ergonomics, not mechanics. Please tell us how one can improve the Pro mechanically. What can they do? |
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Oh please!!!
Mechanically, you cannot improve on the Pro. They are good, don't get me wrong; but with the constant improvements and advancements in production methods and materials they can and will get better. Like someone else typed earlier an undercut trigger guard would improve it for a higher grip hold. The undercut is an issue of ergonomics, not mechanics. Please tell us how one can improve the Pro mechanically. What can they do? I'll nit pick since that is what you're asking. Please explain to us how every single one of the Pro's are exactly the same? Is the thickness exactly evenly applied and measure the same between each and every PRO made? Does each and every PRO have the same amount of play or tolerance? Does each and every PRO have the barrel fit and then measure the same? Is the metal hardness consistant across the single part and measure the same hardness between two PRO's? NO!! It's imposible to have each and every PRO come off the line exactly the same, not in the same tolerance range; exactly the same. How do you know if the metal used can not be improved upon? The coating can and will be improved upon to a point that no lubrication will ever be needed. Metal in todays 1911's are different spec's than metal in the past. The pistols are made by a process and within tolerances. Tolerances meaning "good enouph" not exactly the best or perfect. To mechanically improve the PRO each and every PRO's parts would measure exactly the same and parts be able to interchange between PRO's without fitting. That my dear friend is evolution and mechanical improvements. That is what every industry strives for "no variation between identical parts". That is why the PRO can get mechanically better in time. Don't get me wrong I love my PRO; and I like you, think they are one of the best 1911's out today. But they can and will get mechanically better. |
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To give up and say that is the best there ever will be is unrealistic.
It holds back progress and people from achieving better. I feel sad for people who think like that, because I believe everyone and everything can be better and it's not unrealistic to chase it. Humankind is better for those who want better. Would the PRO even be available today if everyone thought the original pistol designed 1911 submitted for ARMY trials could not be any better? |
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Other than the fancy finish (and I'm not even sure that's true), how is a $2400 1911 any better than a $750 S&W1911 which is accurate and 100% reliable? I can understand paying that kind of money for gun with special features, like a limited production race gun. But not for a gun with only "standard" features. It's one of those things that if you have to ask, you don't understand. |
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If you were right, every pistol on the market would be built to the same standards as a Sig P-210. We have the materials. We have the CNC machines. Why are most pistols sloppy? Cost. The market finds a way to give most people what they want and have people believe that is the best there ever will be. But since you can not argue what you don't understand, quit trying to open the argument by comparing manzana to narangas. Yes the P-210 can also be improved. Just like I posted above. No the materials are not quite their yet, be we are getting closer. |
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Why has not the CNC machine dropped the cost of precision? Because they have to pay off the damn CNC machine....them things aren't cheap. The bigger the company the more you need the more the cost. The better the gun the better the CNC machine needs to be so new CNC machines are bought...etc. |
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