Posted: 12/25/2008 5:37:32 AM EDT
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I am really looking closely at buying a new GRP Recon with the surefire light and laser grips.. Looks like it will run me around $2,800 depending slightly..
Everything I have read seems to say they are great pistols but I haven't heard much from the average shooter.. Anyone own one? |
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I got a Talon the other day, only reason was because the GRP did not have the top of the slide serriated, no mag chute, or checkered rear slide. For the 100 bucks difference the Talon won. I took it out day before yesterday and had a blast with it. I am hitting the range again tomorrow morning and plan running another 400-500 rds through it.
I have a more detaild post somehwere from the other day. HTH |
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Nighthawk puts out some amazing guns, the GRP being my favorite in their line up. However there seems to be an escalating amount of grumbling from some nighthawk owners about QC issues and customer service policies. +1 Based on a few of the recent complaints regarding poor customer service, from current NH owners, I'd look at Wilson, Baer, etc first. |
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Nighthawk puts out some amazing guns, the GRP being my favorite in their line up. However there seems to be an escalating amount of grumbling from some nighthawk owners about QC issues and customer service policies. +1 Based on a few of the recent complaints regarding poor customer service, from current NH owners, I'd look at Wilson, Baer, etc first. +1 Seeing LV pull his gun, and the 10-8 pulled too, I don't like the bad vibe from that. |
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I have a Talon II bobtail and a Talon. Both are amazing 1911s. I've owned a GRP, and a 10-8 as well. The GRP went back to NHC for ambis. Somewhere along the way my gun got lost in their shop. the 1 week turn around ended up being around 4 or 6 weeks. There was also some mis communication on the price of the work.
I posted the story on one of the 1911 sites. I went back to the gunstore that handled the shipping, etc for me and Nighthawk had already been in contact with the shop telling them to do whatever it took to make the situation right in my eyes. The comp'ed the entire thing. I'll take that level of customer service every time. |
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Yeah, the M1911 forum had me a little worried but again you normally only hear when things fail and not so much when they work like they should.. I'm looking for one to be a dead reliable carry gun with good parts already installed so I don't have to add stuff.. I like simple, working gun types..
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Nighthawk puts out some amazing guns, the GRP being my favorite in their line up. However there seems to be an escalating amount of grumbling from some nighthawk owners about QC issues and customer service policies. +1 Based on a few of the recent complaints regarding poor customer service, from current NH owners, I'd look at Wilson, Baer, etc first. +1 Seeing LV pull his gun, and the 10-8 pulled too, I don't like the bad vibe from that. playing devil's advocate here, but IIRC LV's main reason for pulling was he thought they were too expensive, not inferior quality. I could be wrong though |
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Yeah, the M1911 forum had me a little worried but again you normally only hear when things fail and not so much when they work like they should.. I'm looking for one to be a dead reliable carry gun with good parts already installed so I don't have to add stuff.. I like simple, working gun types.. I don't know why but I'm not a huge fan of wilson for some reason.. You have to take everything you see online with a pound of salt, you know zero about the individual typing or there knowledge/experience and credibility. Im sure if you searched online, you would see tons of complaints about your make of car , insurance company, TV, computer, clothes, cell phone company, stereo and everything else under the sun that you may own or be thinking of buying. You would never be able leave the house or buy anything.  Pick up the phone and contact Larry Lyles at Nighthawk, they will build you anything you want and with any parts you prefer, they will go out of the way to make your custom build how you want it.
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| Larry Vickers pulled his 1911 because he said it was too expensive for a gun that he did not personally work on , the Hilton Yam 10-8 was a limited run. These editions were not meant to be a permanent thing , currently Heinie has a run of his models being made by Nighthawk. Nighthawk Custom has the best customer service of any gun company I have personally dealt with. |
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Nighthawk puts out some amazing guns, the GRP being my favorite in their line up. However there seems to be an escalating amount of grumbling from some nighthawk owners about QC issues and customer service policies. +1 Based on a few of the recent complaints regarding poor customer service, from current NH owners, I'd look at Wilson, Baer, etc first. +1 Seeing LV pull his gun, and the 10-8 pulled too, I don't like the bad vibe from that. playing devil's advocate here, but IIRC LV's main reason for pulling was he thought they were too expensive, not inferior quality. I could be wrong though Supposedly  Ron Philips left- then the LV and 10-8 guns were soon no longer offered, and since then the QC has slipped. I'm seeing all over the 1911 community these "since Ron Philips left..." comments about nighthawk. His departure and the departure of the LV1911 and 10-8s happening soon after- I'm not sure it's a coincidence. Check out THIS multi thousand dollar 'custom' 1911:
I'd be pissed if I picked up a GLOCK and it looked like that, none the less a nighthawk, a "high end custom 1911". Oh, and Nighthawk refused to do anything about it. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=1981277 I'm willing to bet the odds of finding an SA pro like that are next to none, and if you brought it to their attention they'd make it right. Wilson would too, as would les baer. AS for the other custom smiths, I think they'd about have a seizure if they found out that they let THAT leave the bench in that condition... unless it's D&L sports in which case it's normal... 
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I guess someone better tell Ron to stop making those Masters Edition Nighthawks then since he is supposed to have left the company 
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I am really looking closely at buying a new GRP Recon with the surefire light and laser grips.. Looks like it will run me around $2,800 depending slightly.. Everything I have read seems to say they are great pistols but I haven't heard much from the average shooter.. Anyone own one? If you're going to buy a Nighthawk you need to order it through George at Migunslingers.. he will save you a good ammount of money and get you your gun fast! My custom Enforcer in Diamond Black came in less than 11 weeks and that was right after the whole mess with Caspian and their audit. |
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I love it when people start bashing a company when it was not their story or first hand experience. I just got my Talon last week and so far have put over 900 rds trhough it without any problems due to the pistol (1 mag realated issue and one handloaded lswc issue due to AMERC brass). How do you know that all of these companies you listed have steller cs? I have read about the cs and if you get a LB second hand hang up any cs––that is what I have read but have no experince. Must be true since I read it on the internet!
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Nighthawk puts out some amazing guns, the GRP being my favorite in their line up. However there seems to be an escalating amount of grumbling from some nighthawk owners about QC issues and customer service policies. +1 Based on a few of the recent complaints regarding poor customer service, from current NH owners, I'd look at Wilson, Baer, etc first. +1 Seeing LV pull his gun, and the 10-8 pulled too, I don't like the bad vibe from that. playing devil's advocate here, but IIRC LV's main reason for pulling was he thought they were too expensive, not inferior quality. I could be wrong though Supposedly Ron Philips left- then the LV and 10-8 guns were soon no longer offered, and since then the QC has slipped. I'm seeing all over the 1911 community these "since Ron Philips left..." comments about nighthawk. His departure and the departure of the LV1911 and 10-8s happening soon after- I'm not sure it's a coincidence. Check out THIS multi thousand dollar 'custom' 1911:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/Singlestack_Wonder/Nighthawkframe.jpg I'd be pissed if I picked up a GLOCK and it looked like that, none the less a nighthawk, a "high end custom 1911". Oh, and Nighthawk refused to do anything about it. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=1981277 I'm willing to bet the odds of finding an SA pro like that are next to none, and if you brought it to their attention they'd make it right. Wilson would too, as would les baer. AS for the other custom smiths, I think they'd about have a seizure if they found out that they let THAT leave the bench in that condition... unless it's D&L sports in which case it's normal...
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| If you check out Hilton Yam's 10-8 forum, there was a post asking about the Nighthawk GRP. These guys put there 1911's to hard/duty use, and a few guys posted about there Nighthawk GRP experience. Highly recommended. ALSO, the GRP comes standard with the Novak "adjustable sights", these are a propriety cut and you would be stuck with that sight. I recommend if you have one built from Nighthawk, that you get the Novak low mount sights, these are the industry standard Novak cut, you can change them to any sight on the market later. Or of course you can order your GRP with any sight you prefer (Heine, 10-8 etc), and again these use the standard Novak cut. |
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I love it when people start bashing a company when it was not their story or first hand experience. I just got my Talon last week and so far have put over 900 rds trhough it without any problems due to the pistol (1 mag realated issue and one handloaded lswc issue due to AMERC brass). How do you know that all of these companies you listed have steller cs? I have read about the cs and if you get a LB second hand hang up any cs––that is what I have read but have no experince. Must be true since I read it on the internet! Quoted:
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Nighthawk puts out some amazing guns, the GRP being my favorite in their line up. However there seems to be an escalating amount of grumbling from some nighthawk owners about QC issues and customer service policies. +1 Based on a few of the recent complaints regarding poor customer service, from current NH owners, I'd look at Wilson, Baer, etc first. +1 Seeing LV pull his gun, and the 10-8 pulled too, I don't like the bad vibe from that. playing devil's advocate here, but IIRC LV's main reason for pulling was he thought they were too expensive, not inferior quality. I could be wrong though Supposedly Ron Philips left- then the LV and 10-8 guns were soon no longer offered, and since then the QC has slipped. I'm seeing all over the 1911 community these "since Ron Philips left..." comments about nighthawk. His departure and the departure of the LV1911 and 10-8s happening soon after- I'm not sure it's a coincidence. Check out THIS multi thousand dollar 'custom' 1911:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/Singlestack_Wonder/Nighthawkframe.jpg I'd be pissed if I picked up a GLOCK and it looked like that, none the less a nighthawk, a "high end custom 1911". Oh, and Nighthawk refused to do anything about it. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=1981277 I'm willing to bet the odds of finding an SA pro like that are next to none, and if you brought it to their attention they'd make it right. Wilson would too, as would les baer. AS for the other custom smiths, I think they'd about have a seizure if they found out that they let THAT leave the bench in that condition... unless it's D&L sports in which case it's normal...
Tell WilsonCQB1911 that Nighthawk's CS is good. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=67985&page=6 Shit like this isn't an issolated incident... playing devil's advocate only gets you so far. |
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Supposedly Ron Philips left- then the LV and 10-8 guns were soon no longer offered, and since then the QC has slipped. I'm seeing all over the 1911 community these "since Ron Philips left..." comments about nighthawk. His departure and the departure of the LV1911 and 10-8s happening soon after- I'm not sure it's a coincidence. Check out THIS multi thousand dollar 'custom' 1911:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/Singlestack_Wonder/Nighthawkframe.jpg I'd be pissed if I picked up a GLOCK and it looked like that, none the less a nighthawk, a "high end custom 1911". Oh, and Nighthawk refused to do anything about it. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=1981277 I'm willing to bet the odds of finding an SA pro like that are next to none, and if you brought it to their attention they'd make it right. Wilson would too, as would les baer. AS for the other custom smiths, I think they'd about have a seizure if they found out that they let THAT leave the bench in that condition... unless it's D&L sports in which case it's normal...
Hell....I doubt you'd see a TRP leave the factory like that let alone a SA pro. 
I love how someone in that thread stated.."It's only cosmetic." For 2500+ that gun better be flawless! |
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I have had a TRP and it had tool marks on the trigger guard––the majority the TRP's I have seen have them from barely noticiable to really noticible. That's actually the first I've heard of that. I doubt it's an isolated incident though, it's a production gun!
When the word "Custom" and a $2K+ pricetag are part of the equation, you no longer have excuses for turning out horseshit. I'm baffled, that's a "Custom" gun... After doing a bit of thinking about it, I'm going to have to try to give nighthawk the benefit of the doubt here and HOPE that that damage happened AFTER the gun left the factory. ...
I know there are a lot of happy nighthawk customers.... I just sure as shit hope that they don't start having issues, WilsonCQB1911 found this out the hard way. BOHICA customer service doesn't fly in the high end 1911 market. |
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I have also seen posts on 1911 forum, where people have complained about the lack of service from Wilson Combat, they said they would never buy another Wilson again. I have seen tons of complaints from Les Baer and lousy service with Les and his attitude, so stay away from Baer. Also many complaints from Ed Brown and his attitude also, so stay away from Brown. I have seen posts complaining about Springfield and not getting anywhere with the supposed great service, so check them offf also. In fact if you hang out at many different forums, you will see customer complaints/ pics from all manufacturers,, including very high end 1-2 man custom builds. I'm not sure what you guys are gonna do. Maybe get a Glock, oh hold on, i have seen complaints from them also, maybe its time to take up knitting
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I have also seen posts on 1911 forum, where people have complained about the lack of service from Wilson Combat, they said they would never buy another Wilson again. I have seen tons of complaints from Les Baer and lousy service with Les and his attitude, so stay away from Baer. Also many complaints from Ed Brown and his attitude also, so stay away from Brown. I have seen posts complaining about Springfield and not getting anywhere with the supposed great service, so check them offf also. In fact if you hang out at many different forums, you will see customer complaints/ pics from all manufacturers,, including very high end 1-2 man custom builds. I'm not sure what you guys are gonna do. Maybe get a Glock, oh hold on, i have seen complaints from them also, maybe its time to take up knitting  Playing devil's advocate only gets you so far. 
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awesome, George is a good guy, he will definately take care of you 
he also handles custom builds from other shops as well including Ron Phillips himself. So I guess that's what he's booked doing through early 09? http://www.phillips1911.com/ 14th picture in on the gallery is my fave. |
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Yeah I ordered it with the Heinie Slant Pro Straight-Eight Night Sights, I don't really like adjustable sights. He said it would take around 8 weeks to build, but with the way most builders are going now I'm sure it will take a little longer.. haha
Wanted the X300, crimson laser grips, single side safety, and black Perma Kore slide with a green lower. Much better price than anything I have been able to find. I hope I hit them on a good quality control build. Fingers crossed. |
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I will vouch for the tool marks on the trigger guard, mine has them.
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I have had a TRP and it had tool marks on the trigger guard––the majority the TRP's I have seen have them from barely noticiable to really noticible. That's actually the first I've heard of that. I doubt it's an isolated incident though, it's a production gun!
When the word "Custom" and a $2K+ pricetag are part of the equation, you no longer have excuses for turning out horseshit. I'm baffled, that's a "Custom" gun... After doing a bit of thinking about it, I'm going to have to try to give nighthawk the benefit of the doubt here and HOPE that that damage happened AFTER the gun left the factory. ...
I know there are a lot of happy nighthawk customers.... I just sure as shit hope that they don't start having issues, WilsonCQB1911 found this out the hard way. BOHICA customer service doesn't fly in the high end 1911 market. Funny thing is, the slide to frame fit is as tight as my Wilson and the gun is 100% reliable so far. |
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I will vouch for the tool marks on the trigger guard, mine has them.
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I have had a TRP and it had tool marks on the trigger guard––the majority the TRP's I have seen have them from barely noticiable to really noticible. That's actually the first I've heard of that. I doubt it's an isolated incident though, it's a production gun!
When the word "Custom" and a $2K+ pricetag are part of the equation, you no longer have excuses for turning out horseshit. I'm baffled, that's a "Custom" gun... After doing a bit of thinking about it, I'm going to have to try to give nighthawk the benefit of the doubt here and HOPE that that damage happened AFTER the gun left the factory. ...
I know there are a lot of happy nighthawk customers.... I just sure as shit hope that they don't start having issues, WilsonCQB1911 found this out the hard way. BOHICA customer service doesn't fly in the high end 1911 market. Funny thing is, the slide to frame fit is as tight as my Wilson and the gun is 100% reliable so far. I've got a Springfield MC Operator and it's got zero tool marks on the trigger guard. Now as for Nighthawks, my only experience with them was my then-roommate's '05 Predator bobtail, and it was a work of art. I have no experience dealing with the company, and haven't messed with one of their pistols since. |
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I have also seen posts on 1911 forum, where people have complained about the lack of service from Wilson Combat, they said they would never buy another Wilson again. I have seen tons of complaints from Les Baer and lousy service with Les and his attitude, so stay away from Baer. Also many complaints from Ed Brown and his attitude also, so stay away from Brown. I have seen posts complaining about Springfield and not getting anywhere with the supposed great service, so check them offf also. In fact if you hang out at many different forums, you will see customer complaints/ pics from all manufacturers,, including very high end 1-2 man custom builds. I'm not sure what you guys are gonna do. Maybe get a Glock, oh hold on, i have seen complaints from them also, maybe its time to take up knitting Playing devil's advocate only gets you so far.
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awesome, George is a good guy, he will definately take care of you
he also handles custom builds from other shops as well including Ron Phillips himself. So I guess that's what he's booked doing through early 09? http://www.phillips1911.com/ 14th picture in on the gallery is my fave. heh, you should see my Nighthawk, its pretty similar. Main differences are that mines has a bull barrel and is in Diamond Black... oh yeah and the skeletonized trigger, grip safety and grip panel screws are different 
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1507/092608e950fk3.jpg wonder if he is using the same frame as mines... the magwell looks identical but its hard to tell if the plunger tube is part of the frame like on mines. |
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I'll chime in here and report first hand issues with a Nighthawk build.
Workmanship on custom ordered $3700 pistol was beyond sub-par! Especially given this price range. Both cosmetic and functional issues. CS was good and they agreed to build another. Got shined on for over a year from placing the original order before I served them legal papers in preperation for litigation. They did cough up a pistol that had great workmanship as I ordered it. Beautiful gun that is super accurate and reliable. Is seems that often times their work has become spotty in the QC department. Most times they make it right. When they do it right, it is a thing of beauty! For the amount of $$$ involved, I'd rather not deal with the possible headache with Nighthawk. Wouldn"t order one! Might go for it if somebody has one in stock and you can detail inspect it and shoot it before handing over the cash. But that's the only way I'd do it. |