[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Kimber Covert = Boner (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/24/2007 11:17:03 PM EDT
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So I'm selling my pistols, to finance a higher end pistol. I was thinking Nighthawk, but I'd have to sell a fuck ass worth of shit to afford one of those. I decided to take a look at Kimbers website.  The Kimber Covert II, gave me a hard on. I think I may get one, for CCW and primary defense. I want to hear the good and the ugly about Kimber, what do you think? |
I don't give a shit about that, if I was able to defend my own life then it was worth it. I'm just wondering if anyone had complaints or praises on Kimber over all and specifically this model. Again, congrats on the new kid pops! |
Thanks buddy  I like Kimbers, never have bought one but shot a few. Whats the price on that one? |
| Kimber's are far from "high end" 1911's, except maybe for price. I personally have had bad luck with a couple of series II Kimbers, and will never have one again. I would reccomend looking at a used Les Baer or Wilson if you truly want "higher end". In factory production, I would look at Springfields TRP series long before Kimber. I'm sure some members of the "Church of Kimber" will be along soon to tell you they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Checkl em out and decide what YOU think. Good luck. |
I love mine. I get a woody every time I pick it up  The first 100 rounds I had about 5 FTFs. After that it has not burped at all. Make sure you get Wilson Combat magazines (47 or 47D's I think). They have nylon followers that will not damage the weapon. It is one of the most accurate and sweet shooting pistols I have had the experience to shoot. Here is my little baby.  
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Kimbers are what they are and have their use in the world of 1911s but that use is NOT high end 1911s. You are not going to scratch the semi-custom itch with higher end production pistols of any make and the Kimber is no exception. Not to mention, the price you are quoting qualifies many would-be buyers for the Darwin award, as they are within a couple of hundred or right at the price point of with certain semi-customs. Why wouldn't you just get a NIB TRS, RRA, or get some sucker's LNIB impulse CQB for that $ ? |
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I have a Kimber Warrior, it was my first pistol purchase, I was in love with it. To quote borat, now, not so much..... Its great looking, the finish and parts are holding up really well. I have about 600 rounds thru it. It only hiccups with JHP ammo. It feeds SWC and ball ammo perfectly. Its moderately accurate, not bad, but certainly not great either. It will put all shots on a target paper ( 8.5 x 11 ) at 50 feet reliably. Whereas my custom Colt will put all shots in the black at that range with me shooting. It is perfect for what I bought it for, I mounted a TLR 1 on it and it resides next to my bed. More than enough for its intended purpose. |
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Hemi, You know the one I have is a lowly custom II and I'm very happy with it. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles, thinks I'd like but whatever. I'm happy with the kimber product. It was a way better pistol than what I had which was a milspec for only a little more money. The Covert: Super nice. I've fondled one. Nice and light. I don't know if I'm into lasers though, and that would be a good hunk of the price. Plus, you'd still have the schwarz. But, I wouldn't recommend it for what you are looking for. This is my suggestion to you. Have someone work your loaded over that knows what they're doing. Give it to Miller or somone and say I want this thing to be bullet proof and let him do his magic. Come up with a plan. I bet you'd be more sassified with it then a Covert. Or do like the others said and save up for a EB, Baer, RRA or Wilson. I wouldn't put the covert in either league of the 2 options I just suggested. They are nice though. What's wrong with your loaded?????? Seems like it always shot fine for you. Maybe you're worried about the weight, eh? |
| I had one just like it. I got rid of it because of the finish. I wore it one day this summer and sweated ( not soaking wet ), the slide rusted lightly and so did the rear site. I only waited until the next day to oil it up. I'm use to my Wilson's, not having to worry about it. For a carry gun I just want to have something not so maintenance intensive. It shot fine and cycled perfect once I put Wilson mags in it. |
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while i do agree that a lot of the Kimber pricing is contrary to their original mission statement... "to build a custom 1911 at competitive prices"... they still make a fine 1911... however i wouldn't spend over $1k for one... MIM parts, plastic MSH, in house night sights (they own meprolight) should all keep their prices lower but it seems like they keep going up... as far as quality the MIM parts aren't as bad as people make them out to be... my eclipse has thousands of rounds through it and the trigger is as crisp as it was when i bought it... eventually when the fire control parts wear out i'll replace them with an EGW hard sear and a Koenig light hammer... for performance and reliability, i have been thoroughly impressed... as i said, FMJ, Corbon DPX, Federal HST, Hornady XTP, +P loads, etc all feed flawlessly with the factory mags (not wilson 47D's) and my eclipse even has the *gasp* external extractor, the same can't be said for a lot of the other 1911's on the market. accuracy for the out of the box kimber's has been awesome... my stainless II which i paid $450 for was shooting every round of Magtech bargain range ammo in a quarter sized hole at 10yds... rapid fire from the hip (practicing for IDPA) i kept every round in a 4-5" bull at the same distance... Hemi, i've seen Nighthawk Talons selling for $1500 used which is an ABSURDLY LOW price... that is a true custom 1911 and definitely high end.... this is how i rank the 1911s i've shot and handled from good to best: Springfield Loaded > Kimber Custom II > Kimber Warrior > Springfield TRP > Wilson Combat > Nighthawk / Les Baer |
Curious, why would you put Nighthawk over Wilson? I own both and to me they are about equal, except the Wilson mags are better IMO. |
| don't do it hemi-cuda. keep saving and sell what isn't important. i almost did what you did and bought a cqb last year. there is a huge difference and you will be so much happier if you wait. i've tried to buy springers and thought about kimbers after the cqb but i can never commit. next 1911 will have to be something semi custom or custom. the only problem is buying a new 1911 will be a small fortune every time. |
I think you are foolish to sell your loaded Springer if it shoots as nice as you state in your EE ad, ESPECIALLY to buy a Kimber. thread with pictures of Al frame Kimbers Something to be aware of. |
I own a Kimber Custom II and a Kimber Warrior and they're both good weapons. However they were both picked up used and refitted with numerous Wilson combat and Ed brown parts. If you want a quality 1911 in the $1500 range there are much better candidates than Kimber. IMHO  On Gunbroker start bid $1350 - buy it know $1500. And it's in Boca Raton  Pompano Beach buy it now for $1750  In the EE here $1550  |
i was typing too fast and trying to rush out to lunch... i fixed it... |
I have never owned a lightweight framed 1911, but I have shot 10-20 thousand rounds through a couple of steel framed 1911s, all with McCormick mags. Back in the '80's when the Wilsons came out I bought some and the removable plastic floor plates were breaking off. I pitched them, bought McCormicks and I still shoot with them today. Bill ETA: That is some soft aluminum in those frames. |
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Between the bottom loop as shown, or one thats incorporated internally into the MSH - I'd take the latter for a CCW, just as its one less protrusion. But I can see it not being that much of a concern with the right clothing. But then again, what do I know - my CCW has a giant grip extension (Para Hog) lol. |
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I appreciate the wake up call replies. You can always trust ARFCOM. So here is what I got from it, Kimber makes a pretty good 1911 but for that price a custom 1911 would be far superior. The actual pistol that I want, is a Nighthawk GRP, without the laser grips. 2.3k is a lot of money, so I'd have to sell off some more pistols in order to fund it. My Springfield Loaded really does shoot incredibly, but I just want to move a step up in 1911s and it looks like I wouldn't be doing it with the Kimber according to everyone. |
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I really wanted a Wilson Combat CQB. But I thought I'd "settle" for a green SA Micro Loaded. Nice gun, but still wanted something full sized. Full size loaded was next. Then came the Desert Warrior. Sweet and unique, but still not fulfilling. Ended up buying the Wilson just over a year after the first Springfield. Moral? If the Nighthawk GRP is what you really want, don't bother with stop gap measures. You'll end up with it anyway! BTW, really nice looking pistols.... oh, and keep the loaded around if able, always great to have another 1911....
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| I've got a Kimber Warrior and a Pro Raptor II and love them both. I use the Raptor as my carry weapon. Have taken both to the range numerous times, firing around 100-150 rounds through each, each time. I've only had two hiccups and those were mag related. Both guns feed fmj and hp rounds. |
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Look for a good used WC, NC, etc., they can be had for the price range you are looking in. I own a TRP Tactical and a Warrior, they are both decent guns and both are very accurate and so far, reliable. I can't explain why I like the WC CQB better, but if you bring me some Damon's ribs, you can shoot them all.
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Where in FL do you live? I got a friend selling a nearly new GRP Recon for $1850 face to face... |
Miami Beach |
| Why not get a Caspian frame and build the pistol you want. You can probably do it for the same price or cheaper w/ any reputable smith. Just an idea. Granted you'd probably have to wait a bit of time for it but it's an option and you could put everything you want on it and leave out the parts you wouldn't want. |
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Do yourself a BIG favor and take a good look at the Ed Brown Special Forces model. I went through the whole higher end 1911 search a while back and after much research, advice and hands on time I bought the Ed Brown. After shooting it a lot now I know I made the right choice. It's an AMAZING weapon !! Here's mine.  
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Just get the tactical custom II, we sell it for under a grand. Unless you really want the laser. Or get the desert warrior if you want a good finish, the finish on the covert II is not very good. We sell the covert II for 1249 or 1299 I think. If you want a CCW piece look at the custom CDP II, the CDPs consistently have the cleanest/lightest triggers of all the Kimbers I have go through the store. I've only owned 2 1911s, they were both Kimbers and they were both flawless. 
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That is a fine specimen. |
I have no idea why, but the tan KimPro finish seems to hold up MUCH MUCH better than the black. The black is the worst. My ex and I bought guns at about the same time. She got the Warrior, I got the Desert Warrior. I used and wore my gun more often than she did, and hers wore much quicker. Where I work, we sell these guns as well and what we have seen corresponds to that experience. The black KimPro finish wears very quick. Look at the holstrer wear on the muzzle end of the Covert on the first page. Pretty typical, and I bet the gun is still pretty new. The Warrior on this page is also starting to show a little on the muzzle and quite a bit on the safety. And that gun looks like its brand new. |