USGI plug > 1911 Discussions

Posted: 8/14/2007 1:42:19 PM EDT

Does anyone know of any 1911's being manufactured these days other than a Springfield Mil Spec or the Kimber Warrior that does not have a guide rod? I'd prefer to have one without an accessory rail but this is not really a deal breaker. I have done several searches including talking to a few gun counter employes (who told me the guide rod was milspec and got mad when I told them they were wrong). Any help would be appriciated as I am not new to firearms but I am definetly a 1911 newb.

Posted: 8/14/2007 1:57:14 PM EDT

[#1]

i don't know of any made anymore. perhaps an RIA or armscore might still make them without.

you can always buy waht you want and replace the rod with what you want.

Posted: 8/14/2007 2:00:52 PM EDT

[#2]

Go check out www.1911forum.com. They'll know.

FWIW, I just got a Springfield GI (PW9108LP) because I wanted the most authentic forged 1911A1 for the money. I swapped out the mainspring housing assembly, safety, slide release, trigger and hammer and replaced them with more authentic ones. It's not a "real" 1911A1, but it shoots better than the ones I used in the Army (but then those were 35+ years old in the early '80s . . . )

IIRC Kahr/Auto-Ordnance's 1911A1 had a short guide rod.

BTW, I just looked in TM 9-1005-211-34 (dated 22 June 1964 - the Tech Manual for the 1911A1) and it shows a short recoil spring guide like the one in my Springfield GI.

Posted: 8/14/2007 2:01:42 PM EDT

[#3]

my ria came with a plug. like mentioned above you can always add one. In my opinion I dont see much of a difference either way. Whatever it comes with is fine with me

Posted: 8/14/2007 2:01:52 PM EDT

[#4]

Nighthawk, Wilson Combat and Ed Brown all have models without a full length guide ride, but they're in a different price range than a Springfield Mil-spec or GI

Posted: 8/14/2007 4:47:54 PM EDT

[#5]

Just replace it on any 1911 you buy. The Warrior I believe comes with a regular GI set up. Springy milspec and GI too.

Posted: 8/14/2007 4:53:42 PM EDT

[#6]

Now for the really dumb question. What all is involved in replacing a guide rod in a 1911? Is it just as simple as pulling the guide rod and getting a longer spring, plunger and a barrel bushing?

Posted: 8/15/2007 7:37:59 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Now for the really dumb question. What all is involved in replacing a guide rod in a 1911? Is it just as simple as pulling the guide rod and getting a longer spring, plunger and a barrel bushing?

I don't know what set up you have but you need a spring, I bought wolff's 18.5, you need the spring guide that goes on the front, then you need the plunger that holds it under the barrel. I may be using the wrong terminology though. I should just show you a pic.

Who's got the correct terminology?

Posted: 8/15/2007 3:19:20 PM EDT

[#8]

Colt's Series 70 "Repro" comes with a USGI plug..........

Posted: 8/15/2007 5:17:13 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Now for the really dumb question. What all is involved in replacing a guide rod in a 1911? Is it just as simple as pulling the guide rod and getting a longer spring, plunger and a barrel bushing?

All you need to do is field strip the pistol and and reassemble it with the short GI guide rod and a GI plug (no hole). You will use the same spring and bushing.

Tomcatt

Posted: 8/15/2007 6:09:32 PM EDT

[#10]

Guide rod, plug and spring.

I gotta make sure I remember the correct terminology. I've bought them though.

Posted: 8/15/2007 6:14:10 PM EDT

[#11]

I'm a fan over the plug rather than guide rod. My old Springer Champion had a plug and was flawlessly reliable. After owning that pistol, I always thought that a full length rod was a solution looking for a problem.

I'm an idiot for selling that gun.

Posted: 8/17/2007 3:44:45 AM EDT

[#12]

S&W Gunsite edition of the SW1911PD comes with the GI plug.
(Commander-sized gun.)
The other S&W 1911s come with full length guide rod.

My Scandium S&W has been flawless, but when I heard that you could field strip the gun without tools using the GI plug, I ordered one, (with short guide rod).

I like it a lot.
The gun is still just as reliable as always, but I can easily break it down without a tool.

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