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6/15/2007 6:51:21 PM EDT
I think the Patron Saint of Pistols, John Moses Browning, has hit me with the divine touch of influence. For some reason I have the urge to buy a 1911 style pistol and I cant get the thought out of my head.

I've been looking at a few brands; Kimber, S.A. and S&W. So far the one that appeals to me most is the S&W 1911PD.

Now I've read about MIM on the FAQ, but only Kimber, S.A. and Colts are listed. Does anyone know for certain if S&W also use MIM parts?

Is the S&W considered a "good" choice. I'll be using the pistol for basically everything. Target, training, defense. Not much of a competition shooter, but who knows the 1911 may change that.

Any helpful advice and opinions would be greatly appreciated.
6/15/2007 6:57:57 PM EDT
[#1]
yea, SW does use MIM parts

h/w, thier 1911s, imo, are pretty dang good (even w/ the ext extractors)

6/15/2007 7:03:51 PM EDT
[#2]
I don't care for the Smiths, but I am more of a purist. If you want a mid-grade 1911 that isn't a "pure" example of JMB's design, the Smith seems to have good reports from those who have bought one. It is not the be all end all in the 1911 world, but it is as you ask a "good" choice, as in a solid pick for the money.
6/15/2007 7:12:28 PM EDT
[#3]
I have the pistol that's in the photo.  It's been 100% reliable and very, very accurate.  It is a bargain at the selling price.  I like it so much I bought a S&W Scandium Commander for CCW.  IMHO you can't go wrong with that pistol.
6/15/2007 7:30:26 PM EDT
[#4]
Colt uses the least mim.
6/15/2007 9:32:37 PM EDT
[#5]
Do all 1911 makers use MIM parts to varying degrees?
6/15/2007 9:44:23 PM EDT
[#6]

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Do all 1911 makers use MIM parts to varying degrees?


In production pistols, Colt uses 2 MIM parts, most other use considerably more. Once you go up to the custom 1911s, there shouldn't really be an MIM in a decent one. Some stuff is perfectly fine being MIM, other parts like extractors that flex or parts that are struck are probably best not being made of MIM.

The S&W seems to have a pretty decent rep tho I don't own one, I prefer the internal extractor personally.
6/16/2007 6:28:55 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I think the Patron Saint of Pistols, John Moses Browning, has hit me with the divine touch of influence. For some reason I have the urge to buy a 1911 style pistol and I cant get the thought out of my head.

I've been looking at a few brands; Kimber, S.A. and S&W. So far the one that appeals to me most is the S&W 1911PD.
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Is it aluminum? Light rails are cool!  
6/16/2007 10:49:46 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think the Patron Saint of Pistols, John Moses Browning, has hit me with the divine touch of influence. For some reason I have the urge to buy a 1911 style pistol and I cant get the thought out of my head.

I've been looking at a few brands; Kimber, S.A. and S&W. So far the one that appeals to me most is the S&W 1911PD.
[snip]


Is it aluminum? Light rails are cool!  


It's Scandium.  Some kind of alloy that's very, very lightweight.
6/16/2007 11:55:55 AM EDT
[#9]
It's Aluminum, with Scandium in the alloy.  Smith calling it a Scandium frame is somewhat disingenuous, but adding a few percent scandium (which is an expensive material) significantly increases the yield strength of the alloy.
6/16/2007 12:15:24 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I think the Patron Saint of Pistols, John Moses Browning, has hit me with the divine touch of influence. For some reason I have the urge to buy a 1911 style pistol and I cant get the thought out of my head.
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Any helpful advice and opinions would be greatly appreciated.


Welcome to the companion to BRD! !

As far as advice: How about "Embrace your illness!" or "Go Big or Go Home!" ?...

...Because once you have that first one, then you'll want an original from WWI, and then one from WWII, then you .......well, you get the idea!
6/16/2007 5:38:46 PM EDT
[#11]
First 1911, should be Kimber, S&W, SA, etc, second 1911 should be Colt.  Buy the other ones first, so you'll appreciate the Colt when you get it, then sell them to buy more Colts.
6/16/2007 7:07:27 PM EDT
[#12]
I shot my buddies S&W 1911, good gun & functioned flawlessly.
I'll add an S&W to the collection, just gotta pay some bills first.
I'd go with the Kimber or S&W.
Not a big SA fan, but I do like their TRP Operator (w/ full rail/dust cover).
YMMV
6/16/2007 7:25:58 PM EDT
[#13]
I have a S&W 1911; stainless version, not the PD.  It's great, I EDC it and CCW it IWB no problem though it is a little heavy.  Some people don't like that, I don't mind.  I like the constant reminder.

I was cleaning it religiously and then just thought "hmm how long will this go with some kind of failure without cleaning?"

I went for about 2000 rounds and then just broke down and cleaned it.  Not one malfunction of any kind, though the crud was making it group a little worse towards the end.

6/16/2007 7:42:23 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I don't care for the Smiths, but I am more of a purist. If you want a mid-grade 1911 that isn't a "pure" example of JMB's design, the Smith seems to have good reports from those who have bought one. It is not the be all end all in the 1911 world, but it is as you ask a "good" choice, as in a solid pick for the money.


I thought that JMB wanted an external extractor for the 1911, just like the Hi Power. As an aside I own 2 S&W PC 1911's one in .38 Super and the other .45 and love them both!
6/16/2007 7:46:16 PM EDT
[#15]
"1911 Bug. WHAT NOW?!"

1)Save up
2)Enjoy the ride
6/16/2007 8:56:00 PM EDT
[#16]
I think I'm still leaning for the S&W. Just curious though, is the external extractor more or less reliable? Or is just a thing about looks?
6/16/2007 9:00:40 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I think I'm still leaning for the S&W. Just curious though, is the external extractor more or less reliable? Or is just a thing about looks?


This question almost starts fistfights.

The external extractor is more reliable, but it's a bit more difficult to replace.