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2/9/2007 8:37:33 AM EDT
need a WANT a 4" 1911 which will be used for range and CCW use.  I'm actually between the Kimber Tactical Pro II (postives are a magwell and night sights are standard) vs. the Springfield Loaded Champion (I believe it is slightly cheaper, even with the night sights, but no mag well).  

I won't be able to until I pay down my current credit cards and yes, before anyone points it out, I will reward myself for paying down my debt by putting myself approximately $1,000 more in debt.  The logic is lost on my wife too...but it makes perfect sense to me.

Have 1911's from both companies and like them both.  I like both the finishes (the black and grey of the Kimber and the Black and OD green of the Champion) so really looks isn't that big a deal.  However, my GI .45 from Springfield has "Made in Brazil" engraved just in front of the trigger guard.  Do the Champions have that?  If they do I will go Kimber no questions asked.  Not trying to be a snob, I just don't like it.

Opinions please?
2/9/2007 8:48:17 AM EDT
[#1]
You already have the answer:

Springfield has "Made in Brazil" engraved just in front of the trigger guard. Do the Champions have that? If they do I will go Kimber no questions asked.

All Champions are Made in Brazil (as virtually all Springfield 1911's) and will be marked as such.
2/9/2007 9:14:06 AM EDT
[#2]
I have a Kimber custom II and a Springfield loaded. Paid more for the Custom II and the S.A. is every bit as good if not better than the Kimber. The S.A. is stamped Brazil.
2/9/2007 9:32:28 AM EDT
[#3]
SA's 1911s frames are mostly
(?)
all made in brazil, but the ones i have had were marked so under the grip pannels


they are still top quality stuff; the older ones were USA

of the 2, i'd go w/ the kimber (w/ internal extractor) if you want to up the extra cash....if not, the champion is a great deal for what you get

*ETA*
2/9/2007 9:38:09 AM EDT
[#4]
I love my champion.  My F-I-L just bought a Kimper Eclipse Pro II.  Nice gun.  I like the night sights better.  They are larger and brighter, but my Champion has amb. safety.  His came with the front strap checkered.  I had to pay $80 to get mine done.  

My Champion.  I've added the 25lpi checkering, slim grips, and Wilson Bullet proof slide release, 'cause it wouldn't hold open reliably with my Wilson 47D's.



His gun cost $1100 from Cabelas.  Mine cost me $550 two years ago on Gunbroker.com
2/9/2007 9:57:46 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
SA's 1911s frames are all made in brazil, but the ones i have had were marked so under the grip pannels


they are still top quality stuff; the older ones were USA

of the 2, i'd go w/ the kimber (w/ internal extractor) if you want to up the extra cash....if not, the champion is a great deal for what you get




care to make a wager?
2/9/2007 10:03:05 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
SA's 1911s frames are all made in brazil, but the ones i have had were marked so under the grip pannels


they are still top quality stuff; the older ones were USA

of the 2, i'd go w/ the kimber (w/ internal extractor) if you want to up the extra cash....if not, the champion is a great deal for what you get




care to make a wager?


no sir, i wouldnt  (i try not to make bets i know i'll loose)

ah sorry about that mr sgb: i forgot that a few are still made here--the custom in-house frames are, correct?

2/9/2007 11:10:50 AM EDT
[#7]
I've also yet to see a TRP or MC Operator with made in Brazil on them
2/9/2007 11:23:52 AM EDT
[#8]
I have both a TRP Operator and a MC Operator and neither has made in Brazil any where, as an owner of a total of 8 1911's including a Kimber TLR and Custom IPSC gun I will say that with out a doubt the TRP Operator is the finest handgun I own( and I have 32) the Kimber dose not even come close.
2/9/2007 10:03:02 PM EDT
[#9]
My Operator is NOT stamped Brazil like those loose tolorance POS springfields....what the hell is springfield thinking....I saw the GI stamped brazil, there was a 1/4" gap inbetween the slide and frame...the main spring was exposed it appeard as if the slide was too long for the frame. What a real piece of Junk! It was also 500-600...I guess you get what you pay for.
2/9/2007 10:38:20 PM EDT
[#10]
I chose the Kimber

2/10/2007 4:09:43 PM EDT
[#11]
I have a TLE II and I love it, I would buy another Kimber without reservation.
2/12/2007 7:03:24 PM EDT
[#12]
I had a Kimber Tactical Pro that I had the ambi safty break on me after 300 rounds. Now I realize that it's a MIM part but that shouldn't happen on a $1000 pistol. The experience left me with a bad taste for Kimber. I know my Springfield MC Operator has MIM parts too but no problems yet with it after 1000 rounds. I'd go with the SA.