Posted: 11/20/2005 3:17:39 PM EDT
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I asked before, but didn't get an answer. What's a DET-1 Kimber worth? Stamped and marked like the ones at the Unit. Serial number in the high 200's |
The only special significance is historical / collector value. And that is to a relative few. I happen to put a value on that sort of thing but most do not. Especially something that can still be easily made. Other than that, its just another Kimber. A good one to be sure. But that's it. |
................. i got to be a jbt spelling nazi 
Easily made but very restricted. The Unit that the guns were made for is probably going away. Once this happens the guns will never be made again and what out there is it. When all is said and done that will be around 500. 2000 less than the Singers made in WWII. I did ask the question and I was asking for my own interest. It's not that I didn't like the answer you gave I just don't think people understand (In a historical sense) what the significants of the pistol is. As far as enlightening you guys I'm sure there is nothing I can say you guys don't already know, just look at how many posts you guys have. |
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Help me understand this. I really don't quite understand the significance of this pistol. Yeah, its rare because of the small numbers made, but there are a lot of guns that are made in limited numbers. It is just a Kimber and could be duplicated very easily. I guess I just have a hard time believing Kimber will ever have a genuine collector's appeal. This isn't a knock on Kimber. I don't believe Glock, Springfield or Ruger would ever be particularly collectible either. Now, a genuine MEU(SOC) would be a different issue entirely. Those however, could not make it to a commercial market without being stolen from government property and that would put a real damper on the value. |
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I do know the significance of the gun. But you need to remember this is not necessarily a big handgun website. There are very few real handgun collectors here. The gun is only "valuable" for it's markings. Everything else on it is commercially available. So, to me it's only worth a couple grand maybe. I buy guns to shoot them, not look at them in a safe. |
OH SHIT! the Norris has spread! 
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Mcgrubbs, Great points. I'm asking the wrong crowd. I haven't posted here much and really didn't know what kind of crowd was here. Plus I don't think I spell well enough for this group. |
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Actually, I'm having a MEU(SOC) clone built right now. I attempted to duplicate the parts that are actually used, but with a couple of minor exceptions. I opted for Wilson sights instead of Novaks because I prefer contrasting colors on the night sights. I also went with an S&A mag well. although this isn't strictly "correct" it actually is a common variant churned out by PWS Quantico. The really cool part about this build is the fact that I am having it built at PWS Quantico by one of the 1414 armorers. If you know a Marine at Quantico, you can have this done under the "Hobby/Lobby" program. The armorers are actually encouraged to take on side jobs as long as it doesn't involve use of government parts. They even proof the things, although I'm still not sure if it will be proof stamped. It will be fully documented If you're interested in buying a pistol made under this program, let me know. The Marine that is helping me out has two others that he had built. One is a Commander sized carry gun and the other is a Commander size with a light rail. Both have external extractors and are built on Caspian frames and slides. Both are well documented, including a complete list of the commercial components used. BTW... the armorers seem to like Brown grip safeties, S&A mag wells and Bar-Sto barrels. |
Cliffy you couldn't be more wrong with this statement. There is no big honor in a 2112 not a 1414. In fact the whole MEU SOC pistol program is trying to go commercial because the 2112's are not cutting the mustard. Been this way for a while. The PWS is there to support the Marine Corps Rifle team and that's what they should stick to. |
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Hmmm... I'm going to have to look up the MOS. My dyslexia may have just made a fool of me. PWS does a lot more than just make rifles for the rifle team. They are divided up into various specialties which includes the rifle team, pistol team, sniper rifles, DMRs and the MEU(SOC). In theory, each armorer is suposed to rotate to each platform, but the reality is that they end up getting good at one and sticking with it. At least that's how its been described to me. Not cutting the mustard eh? From what I understand, the only way they fall short is in the sheer numbers that are required and not in the quality of workmanship. After playing with a few guns they have built, I don't question that. |
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Cliffy, First let me say that I'm not trying to start an argument with you. So anything I say here is strictly informational and from experience. I'm well aware of how PWS is broken down. PWS was developed to support the rifle team. They later got the added duties of programs they have no business being in. I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say that I have a bit more experience with the products that PWS puts out. This has been a long standing issue with the operating forces and WTB. There are efforts right now to get all of the combat weapons projects taken out of the hands of PWS. This is by far one of the smartest things the Marine Corps can do. It sounds like you have a friend or two there and no one is taking that away from you. Also know this, the gun you are having built will probably accompany you to the range for some target practice and your life will not depend on the function of the gun. I have a few very good friends who are 2112's and they do great work and I'm sure the rifle and pistol team will enjoy having them on there team. |
Alright, now you've got my curiousity. What issues? Why should the combat weapons be taken from them? What has happened that makes you believe the guns built there are unworthy of being sent into combat. Since you have made the assertion, I would ask that you provide specifics. I'm not asking this to badger you but I'm honestly curious. Also, you have made an assumption that is condescending at best. Just because a person is not in the infantry or in law enforcement doesn't mean they don't depend on their guns. Every single handgun I own has a specific purpose and none of them are dedicated game guns. I've got carry guns that are rotated based on what will work with what I am wearing on a particular day. I've got others that are for use in the home or car. Any one of them is expected to be reliable should I ever need it for its intended purpose. I would request that you keep the holier-than-thou-because-my job-is-cooler-than-yours attitude to yourself. |
I genuinely appreciate the comment, but I also want to say that Guiness1911 and I have exchanged a few IMs and we are in agreement that we'd likely get along much better if we met in person. I will also say that this certainly has not impacted my opinion of the gun I'm having built. I've had a chance to examine two other guns built by the same guy who is building mine and am quite confident that this will be an unbelieveable gun with a neat history. Finally, and back on to topic, its obvious that I don't have all the information on the Det-1 pistol. I frankly don't get the absurd values that are being asked for them. I really would like to know more about why these things command such an absurd price. It can't all be about the limited numbers of them. There's got to be more that I'm missing. Somebody explain this to me. |
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Well, that makes some sense, but to me, it still doesn't account for the more nutty prices. Sig sold some overproduction versions of the 226 Navy. There were not commemorative models. They were the genuine article down to the serial numbers and marking on the slide. They commanded a premium over a standard 226. They run $100-$300 more than the price of regular production "Navy" 226. I realize we're not talking about the same gun, but the situation of the authenticity is the same and Sig has a better reputation and herritage than Kimber does. I just don't get it. Then again, the value of anything is what somebody else is willing to pay for it. If there is a person out there who is willing to pay $15,000 for it, then that is the value of it. |