Posted: 1/19/2016 11:05:27 AM EDT
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http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Pistols/ColtCombatUnit%E2%84%A2RailGun%C2%AE.aspx
So. This actually looks pretty awesome. The slide serrations, and material are my only complaint. I just wish they were vertical GI style serrations, and carbon steel frame/slide. Other than that, this looks pretty awesome. I really like the new Colt rollmarks. |
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Quoted: http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Pistols/ColtCombatUnit%E2%84%A2RailGun%C2%AE.aspx So. This actually looks pretty awesome. The slide serrations, and material are my only complaint. I just wish they were vertical GI style serrations, and carbon steel frame/slide. Other than that, this looks pretty awesome. I really like the new Colt rollmarks. What's up with the odd-sized rail on this and the USMC Colts? |
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When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own.
I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market |
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When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own. I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market And how much does Colt pay him to say that? ETA: Series 80 trigger 
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Quoted: http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Pistols/ColtCombatUnit%E2%84%A2RailGun%C2%AE.aspx So. This actually looks pretty awesome. The slide serrations, and material are my only complaint. I just wish they were vertical GI style serrations, and carbon steel frame/slide. Other than that, this looks pretty awesome. I really like the new Colt rollmarks. 
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Quoted: And how much does Colt pay him to say that? ETA: Series 80 trigger Quoted: Quoted: When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own. I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market And how much does Colt pay him to say that? ETA: Series 80 trigger |
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New rollmarks? You mean the ones that look like they're from 1950? Quoted:
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http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Pistols/ColtCombatUnit%E2%84%A2RailGun%C2%AE.aspx So. This actually looks pretty awesome. The slide serrations, and material are my only complaint. I just wish they were vertical GI style serrations, and carbon steel frame/slide. Other than that, this looks pretty awesome. I really like the new Colt rollmarks. Yep. Glad they brought the old as fuck rollmark style back. It was the best. Though I do like the NRM O1991 rollmarks very much as well. Also, series 80 is best series. If I had a series 70 gun, I'd send it off to have the frame and slide milled out to accept the plunger and lever. |
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If you believe the series 80 safety parts are in any way a detriment to obtaining a decent trigger pull then your knowledge of the system is very limited. I guarantee a trigger pull could be obtained where even your highly trained and super sensitive tier one trigger finger couldn't tell the difference. Quoted:
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When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own. I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market And how much does Colt pay him to say that? ETA: Series 80 trigger Or I just like the way mine feels compared to a Series 80. Not everyone has $2000 to send a $1500 1911 to a gunsmith to get work done. So how it feels out of the box is more important to me. |
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Or I just like the way mine feels compared to a Series 80. Not everyone has $2000 to send a $1500 1911 to a gunsmith to get work done. So how it feels out of the box is more important to me. Quoted:
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When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own. I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market And how much does Colt pay him to say that? ETA: Series 80 trigger Or I just like the way mine feels compared to a Series 80. Not everyone has $2000 to send a $1500 1911 to a gunsmith to get work done. So how it feels out of the box is more important to me. You can drop in a $150 C&S trigger pull kit in it if it bothers you that much. My current O1991 has a trigger pull that feels almost identical to a Wilson I fondled recently. (It's just heavier. No creep or anything though.) |
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This looks like a home run. Colt finally checked all the boxes with night sights, G10 grips, and a checkered front strap.
I don't see the issue with the Series 80 system other than re-assembly of the frame. The new guns really do have nice triggers out of the box. My old 1991A1 had a wretched trigger stock but with my DIY install of a tool steel hammer and sear I don't notice the S80 parts. |
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When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own. I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market Maybe TALO will fix the problem areas. |
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When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own. I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market And the slide cracks due to the placement of the front slide serrations. |
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I don't remember any frame cracking issues. The slides did crack until the moved the cocking serrations forward a bit. I like the new Rail Guns Colt is doing. One of the test guns frame cracked, an additional problem was the dust cover on the slide swaging into the lighting cut in the frame locking the pistol up. |
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The two Colts that I will be buying this year: This new Combat Unit pistol, and their new stainless Wiley Clapp Commander.
I've been wanting a railed 1911 for a while now, but I've been unwilling to buy a Colt Rail Gun only to send it off and pay more money to have night sights installed and 25 LPI front strap checkering done. The Springfield TRP operators would be an option, but the cheesy "OPERATOR" and "TACTICAL" words all over the gun and the bushingless bull barrel setup completely kill that option for me. I wonder when Colt is going to release the first run of these to the public this year. |
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Colt is obsessed with the dual spring recoil system these days. Have you shot one yet? The beefy frame with the dual recoil springs shoots very soft. The M45A1 is s real treat to work with. I'm planning a CCU purchase and a Competition model fitted with the dual springs. Yay Colt. |
| I'm also interested in the CCU. I prefer front strap checkering on my 1911s and like Colts, but the two have been just about mutually exclusive with precious few exceptions. The Clapps are OK but I'm not a huge fan of the gold bead front sight, safety and hammer on those. Wonder what they're finishing the CCU in? |
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One of the test guns frame cracked, an additional problem was the dust cover on the slide swaging into the lighting cut in the frame locking the pistol up. Quoted:
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I don't remember any frame cracking issues. The slides did crack until the moved the cocking serrations forward a bit. I like the new Rail Guns Colt is doing. One of the test guns frame cracked, an additional problem was the dust cover on the slide swaging into the lighting cut in the frame locking the pistol up. I don't like how low the lights will be on the gun. I've never heard of Springfield or Caspian frames having this issue... |
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All I've been able to find so far is that the CCU will be a blackened, all stainless gun. I'm not sure what they mean by blackened. It could be anything from Cerakote to Ionbond for all I know. The latest M45s have been made in Ionbond, so who knows. I do not know for sure either, but I was assuming it was similar to a black oxide coating like blueing. I would be disappointed to find out it's Cerakote ot Ionbond. |
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And how much does Colt pay him to say that? ETA: Series 80 trigger Quoted:
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When the rail gun was trailed for use by USMC special operations units, there were some frame cracking issues with heavy abuse they felt the heavier rail would address. I have the m45a1 myself and it is a very solid 1911. So much go it is now the only 1911 I own. I attended Larry Vickers 1911 class a couple years ago. He is very opinionated on what makes a proper 1911 and he declared the m45A1 the best factory 1911 on the market And how much does Colt pay him to say that? ETA: Series 80 trigger More than Ruger obviously. 
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Also, series 80 is best series. If I had a series 70 gun, I'd send it off to have the frame and slide milled out to accept the plunger and lever. Every other service pistol out there has a firing pin block. There's literally no reason at all for a modern 1911 to not have one. It doesn't make the trigger noticeably worse, and I highly doubt that 99.999% of shooters out there are going to miss a shot because the series 80 levers fucked up their trigger pull. Furthermore the USMC M45A1 is series 80, and as far as I'm aware suffered no stoppages or had any failures related to series 80 parts. Lots of S80 guns have shitty trigger pulls. That's not because they're S80, but because they're sold at a low price point, and the triggers aren't worked over. Shoot a Colt Special Combat Government and tell me it has a shitty trigger. Non S80 guns are nice for a sweet trigger pull, and for gamers and shit, but honestly if you put a worked over S80 gun in front of almost anybody alongside a worked over S70, I'd be really surprised if you could tell a difference. Plus, I prefer a steel firing pin, so S70 is a no-go from a safety perspective. Frankly, if you're a good enough shooter to notice the difference between a good S80 trigger, and a good S70 trigger at speed, then you're good enough for it not to make a difference on target, and at speed. For a serious use 1911, S80 is the only acceptable choice for me. |
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The Duel spring set up has merit as it makes for a very soft shooting gun that can still handle heavy loads.
On the other side of the coin, we can't get replacements recoils spring for the Agent/ Defender or the delta elite from Colt. I don't these will be any eaiser to find. Colt really has to step up their game on parts. Their web site sends you to Brownells or Midway, and when you get there everything is out of stock. |
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Quoted: The Duel spring set up has merit as it makes for a very soft shooting gun that can still handle heavy loads. On the other side of the coin, we can't get replacements recoils spring for the Agent/ Defender or the delta elite from Colt. I don't these will be any eaiser to find. Colt really has to step up their game on parts. Their web site sends you to Brownells or Midway, and when you get there everything is out of stock. You can rebuild your New Agent/Defender recoil spring assembly, using Wolff springs. Just be careful to not lose the c-clip during the process: https://www.gunsprings.com/COLT/DEFENDER/cID1/mID1/dID66 |
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Every other service pistol out there has a firing pin block. There's literally no reason at all for a modern 1911 to not have one. It doesn't make the trigger noticeably worse, and I highly doubt that 99.999% of shooters out there are going to miss a shot because the series 80 levers fucked up their trigger pull. Furthermore the USMC M45A1 is series 80, and as far as I'm aware suffered no stoppages or had any failures related to series 80 parts. Lots of S80 guns have shitty trigger pulls. That's not because they're S80, but because they're sold at a low price point, and the triggers aren't worked over. Shoot a Colt Special Combat Government and tell me it has a shitty trigger. Non S80 guns are nice for a sweet trigger pull, and for gamers and shit, but honestly if you put a worked over S80 gun in front of almost anybody alongside a worked over S70, I'd be really surprised if you could tell a difference. Plus, I prefer a steel firing pin, so S70 is a no-go from a safety perspective. Frankly, if you're a good enough shooter to notice the difference between a good S80 trigger, and a good S70 trigger at speed, then you're good enough for it not to make a difference on target, and at speed. For a serious use 1911, S80 is the only acceptable choice for me. Quoted:
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Also, series 80 is best series. If I had a series 70 gun, I'd send it off to have the frame and slide milled out to accept the plunger and lever. Every other service pistol out there has a firing pin block. There's literally no reason at all for a modern 1911 to not have one. It doesn't make the trigger noticeably worse, and I highly doubt that 99.999% of shooters out there are going to miss a shot because the series 80 levers fucked up their trigger pull. Furthermore the USMC M45A1 is series 80, and as far as I'm aware suffered no stoppages or had any failures related to series 80 parts. Lots of S80 guns have shitty trigger pulls. That's not because they're S80, but because they're sold at a low price point, and the triggers aren't worked over. Shoot a Colt Special Combat Government and tell me it has a shitty trigger. Non S80 guns are nice for a sweet trigger pull, and for gamers and shit, but honestly if you put a worked over S80 gun in front of almost anybody alongside a worked over S70, I'd be really surprised if you could tell a difference. Plus, I prefer a steel firing pin, so S70 is a no-go from a safety perspective. Frankly, if you're a good enough shooter to notice the difference between a good S80 trigger, and a good S70 trigger at speed, then you're good enough for it not to make a difference on target, and at speed. For a serious use 1911, S80 is the only acceptable choice for me. Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Les Baer, and Dan Wesson agree
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Also, series 80 is best series. If I had a series 70 gun, I'd send it off to have the frame and slide milled out to accept the plunger and lever. Every other service pistol out there has a firing pin block. There's literally no reason at all for a modern 1911 to not have one. It doesn't make the trigger noticeably worse, and I highly doubt that 99.999% of shooters out there are going to miss a shot because the series 80 levers fucked up their trigger pull. Furthermore the USMC M45A1 is series 80, and as far as I'm aware suffered no stoppages or had any failures related to series 80 parts. Lots of S80 guns have shitty trigger pulls. That's not because they're S80, but because they're sold at a low price point, and the triggers aren't worked over. Shoot a Colt Special Combat Government and tell me it has a shitty trigger. Non S80 guns are nice for a sweet trigger pull, and for gamers and shit, but honestly if you put a worked over S80 gun in front of almost anybody alongside a worked over S70, I'd be really surprised if you could tell a difference. Plus, I prefer a steel firing pin, so S70 is a no-go from a safety perspective. Frankly, if you're a good enough shooter to notice the difference between a good S80 trigger, and a good S70 trigger at speed, then you're good enough for it not to make a difference on target, and at speed. For a serious use 1911, S80 is the only acceptable choice for me. Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Les Baer, and Dan Wesson agree Lets hear the disadvantages then. I keep hearing they exist, but I've never seen one arise. And I have thousands of rounds on series 80 guns. I feel like something would've popped up by now. Also, besides Wilson Combat, I wouldn't pay money to own any 1911 that any of those companies make. |
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"Frankly, if you're a good enough shooter to notice the difference between a good S80 trigger, and a good S70 trigger at speed, then you're good enough for it not to make a difference on target, and at speed."
Truth being told. I've been in and out of 1911's for the better part of three decades. Triggers be damned, the difference I noticed was finish. The Series 70 pistols generally had a very good or higher quality or higher grade of finish on the slide flats out of the box on the base guns and the the bluing was excellent Ya, early on the Series 80 pistols had some atrocious feel and that was a reflection of the line assembly methods and bean counter influence. Only once did I ever ask a 'smith' to rework a stock trigger on a series 70 and it became a detriment; simply too light for safety or comfort. Since then if a 1911 trigger is unacceptable S70 or S80 and nowS90, I've simply started polishing the offending pieces including the series 80 plunger and levers. To me, the difference is imperceptible dry firing or live fire. There are other parts and surfaces that influence the trigger feel more than the series 80 pieces. I'll happily drag any Colt 1911 home. And now, the latest Colt 1911 have some outstanding fit & finish work reflecting the improvements in production techniques and a more disciplined and skilled work force. |
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Trigger feel is a red herring. With a well tuned S80 trigger, about all you'll feel is a bit of feedback during pre-travel as the levers are cammed up. It shouldn't be a detriment to the weight of the actual pull.
A better reason to dislike the S80 system is due to the possibility of it being mistimed. Thanks to frame/slide slop or incorrect lever length, the plunger may not fully clear the firing pin path, leading to a chewed up plunger and/or light to no strikes. I've worked on a number of these. As is usually the answer with 1911s, a properly built gun will not have a problem. There's also the possibility that the lever can be broken by improper reassembly, but the way you get around this is by not being a retard. |
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Trigger feel is a red herring. With a well tuned S80 trigger, about all you'll feel is a bit of feedback during pre-travel as the levers are cammed up. It shouldn't be a detriment to the weight of the actual pull. A better reason to dislike the S80 system is due to the possibility of it being mistimed. Thanks to frame/slide slop or incorrect lever length, the plunger may not fully clear the firing pin path, leading to a chewed up plunger and/or light to no strikes. I've worked on a number of these. As is usually the answer with 1911s, a properly built gun will not have a problem. There's also the possibility that the lever can be broken by improper reassembly, but the way you get around this is by not being a retard. I can't disagree with that. |