Posted: 8/30/2014 7:50:52 AM EDT
| I'm looking to buy my first 1911. I'm really liking the look and features on the Sig and springfield. I may not be able to handle both before buying. I believe one of the local shops has a range officer but haven't found a sig yet. So if I had to buy online what would be the better bet as far as quality, fit and finish, etc? |
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Range officer. Remove ILS, replace rear sight, and get the strap checkered, and you'll have a great gun. Phosphate finish on carbon steel isn't amazing, but it's preferable to a nitride finish on stainless steel. Something like IonBond DLC on carbon steel would be ideal. You also will have a 1911 from a company who's been making them a long time, and will have a good internal extractor.
Use Tripp and Wilson 7/8 round magazines for success. |
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Range officer. Remove ILS, replace rear sight, and get the strap checkered, and you'll have a great gun. Phosphate finish on carbon steel isn't amazing, but it's preferable to a nitride finish on stainless steel. Something like IonBond DLC on carbon steel would be ideal. You also will have a 1911 from a company who's been making them a long time, and will have a good internal extractor. Use Tripp and Wilson 7/8 round magazines for success. So parkerizing on the RO is better that the ion bond on the Sig? Why is ion bond superior on carbon steel? And if not riding is inferior to parkerizing, why is it so effective on Glocks, m&p's, xd's, and AR barrels? Just curious on how this works out in your world? |
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So parkerizing on the RO is better that the ion bond on the Sig? Why is ion bond superior on carbon steel? And if not riding is inferior to parkerizing, why is it so effective on Glocks, m&p's, xd's, and AR barrels? Just curious on how this works out in your world? Quoted:
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Range officer. Remove ILS, replace rear sight, and get the strap checkered, and you'll have a great gun. Phosphate finish on carbon steel isn't amazing, but it's preferable to a nitride finish on stainless steel. Something like IonBond DLC on carbon steel would be ideal. You also will have a 1911 from a company who's been making them a long time, and will have a good internal extractor. Use Tripp and Wilson 7/8 round magazines for success. So parkerizing on the RO is better that the ion bond on the Sig? Why is ion bond superior on carbon steel? And if not riding is inferior to parkerizing, why is it so effective on Glocks, m&p's, xd's, and AR barrels? Just curious on how this works out in your world? First off, last I checked, SIG guns were not IonBond. They were nitride. Which reduces the corrosion resistance on SS, but increases surface hardness. I've read that it hardens it enough to make it brittle. But most people don't shoot enough to notice. Second: IonBond is superior on carbon steel, because of the way CS wears compared to SS. SS is a harder steel, but CS is less brittle. It's less prone to cracks. I never said that nitride is inferior to parkerizing. I said that it's inferior on SS. I got my info from a metallurgist. |
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First off, last I checked, SIG guns were not IonBond. They were nitride. Which reduces the corrosion resistance on SS, but increases surface hardness. I've read that it hardens it enough to make it brittle. But most people don't shoot enough to notice. Second: IonBond is superior on carbon steel, because of the way CS wears compared to SS. SS is a harder steel, but CS is less brittle. It's less prone to cracks. I never said that nitride is inferior to parkerizing. I said that it's inferior on SS. I got my info from a metallurgist. Quoted:
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Range officer. Remove ILS, replace rear sight, and get the strap checkered, and you'll have a great gun. Phosphate finish on carbon steel isn't amazing, but it's preferable to a nitride finish on stainless steel. Something like IonBond DLC on carbon steel would be ideal. You also will have a 1911 from a company who's been making them a long time, and will have a good internal extractor. Use Tripp and Wilson 7/8 round magazines for success. So parkerizing on the RO is better that the ion bond on the Sig? Why is ion bond superior on carbon steel? And if not riding is inferior to parkerizing, why is it so effective on Glocks, m&p's, xd's, and AR barrels? Just curious on how this works out in your world? First off, last I checked, SIG guns were not IonBond. They were nitride. Which reduces the corrosion resistance on SS, but increases surface hardness. I've read that it hardens it enough to make it brittle. But most people don't shoot enough to notice. Second: IonBond is superior on carbon steel, because of the way CS wears compared to SS. SS is a harder steel, but CS is less brittle. It's less prone to cracks. I never said that nitride is inferior to parkerizing. I said that it's inferior on SS. I got my info from a metallurgist. Sig uses ion bond. S&W uses nitride on stainless without issue. I have had stainless guns nitrided without issue. Nitrided guns are about as close to rust proof as you can get. Not calling your metallurgist a quack but definitely not a gun guy. Read less, shoot more, and don't share thoughts as facts. |
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I hate the target rear sight on the RO, even though there are drop in replacements now they still look like shit Plus Sig has a superior Nitron finish and a excellent fit Don't buy into the external extractor bullshit, everyone gets all pissy because its not Brownings design, but in reality it is a superior design. People got a bad taste for external extractors when Kimber fucked up theirs, But make no mistake the Sig is NOT a Kimber... The external design can also use drop in replacements without tuning to my understanding, a traditional internal cannot. My father owns a Sig STX 1911, and I owned a GSR. Both of them have digested thousands of rounds of everything from Wolf, WWB, various HP's, and SWC hand loads without failure. My GSR shot just as good as my SA TRP at a fraction of the cost. Great guns for the money. |
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S&W uses nitride on stainless without issue. Actually, the early S&W M&P guns that were stainless but had melonite treatments did have rust issues. I'll generally stick to the recommendations of 1911 guys like Hilton Yam, Jason Burton, and the like regarding SIG 1911s. don't share thoughts as facts I did not say anything in that post that isn't an easily verifiable fact. Nitride/melonite/QPQ treatments reduce the corrosion resistance properties of stainless steel. Stainless steel has greater surface hardness, but is more brittle than carbon steel. If you can find documentation that states otherwise, I'd like to see it. Maybe those differences matter in shooting, maybe they don't. I wouldn't take the chance, considering how much money these items cost. External extractor is a matter of preference, but I don't see any hardcore 1911 guys or gunsmiths carrying any in their holsters. Except maybe the S&W guns. |