Posted: 10/12/2013 8:28:43 AM EDT
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I'm lazy today fellow Arfcomers and didn't feel like searching.
My brother and I were cleaning up his Springfield .45 and they have the long guide rod. It's a bitch to get back together, at least not very convenient. The pistols are beautiful. I was just curious as to the reasoning behind having a full length guide rod. |
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Way back when some of the competition guys used tungsten FLGR's in order to add weight. This can reduce muzzle flip and lead to very slightly faster split times.
On the Springfield the FLGR is just steel, adds no appreciable weight, and is just for looks. It's also a PITA. If it were mine, I would have swapped out the FLGR for a GI style before I even shot it. |
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Quoted: keeps the spring perfectly straight, which in the original design may or may not happen all the time when the pistol cycles. There is no need for a full length guide rod. It is pure fluff that was marketed by the likes of Bill Wilson way back when the custom 1911 craze was in its infancy. The part costs nearly nothing to manufacture, is easy to install and works in almost every 1911. Companies like Wilson make these for less than $2 and sell them for $25 or more and have sold thousands of these to the uneducated masses. You do the math. |
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You do realize that with a standard set up the recoil spring is fully supported on the outside and remains perfectly straight while cycling. There is no need for a full length guide rod. It is pure fluff that was marketed by the likes of Bill Wilson way back when the custom 1911 craze was in its infancy. The part costs nearly nothing to manufacture, is easy to install and works in almost every 1911. Companies like Wilson make these for less than $2 and sell them for $25 or more and have sold thousands of these to the uneducated masses. You do the math. Quoted:
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keeps the spring perfectly straight, which in the original design may or may not happen all the time when the pistol cycles. There is no need for a full length guide rod. It is pure fluff that was marketed by the likes of Bill Wilson way back when the custom 1911 craze was in its infancy. The part costs nearly nothing to manufacture, is easy to install and works in almost every 1911. Companies like Wilson make these for less than $2 and sell them for $25 or more and have sold thousands of these to the uneducated masses. You do the math. not all the time |
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Quoted: not all the time Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: keeps the spring perfectly straight, which in the original design may or may not happen all the time when the pistol cycles. There is no need for a full length guide rod. It is pure fluff that was marketed by the likes of Bill Wilson way back when the custom 1911 craze was in its infancy. The part costs nearly nothing to manufacture, is easy to install and works in almost every 1911. Companies like Wilson make these for less than $2 and sell them for $25 or more and have sold thousands of these to the uneducated masses. You do the math. not all the time |
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Personal preferences. What works for some may not work or others.
I've owned both GI and FLGR and now use a Dawson's toolless guiderod. I don't see the point in others getting up in arms over what someone else does with their gun. I can't stand 3 dot sights, but I could care less if someone else prefers them. |
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Yes, all the time. Think about it. Supported from the inside or the outside there is no difference. The spring doesn't need to be supported from both the inside and the outside. Full length guide rods are fluff. Quoted:
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keeps the spring perfectly straight, which in the original design may or may not happen all the time when the pistol cycles. There is no need for a full length guide rod. It is pure fluff that was marketed by the likes of Bill Wilson way back when the custom 1911 craze was in its infancy. The part costs nearly nothing to manufacture, is easy to install and works in almost every 1911. Companies like Wilson make these for less than $2 and sell them for $25 or more and have sold thousands of these to the uneducated masses. You do the math. not all the time If you are running a lower powered spring for very light target loads it can happen. Not often but can happen to some degree. I am a glock and 1911 armorer and have seen it happen before. I don't know how many guns you have worked on but it can happen and sometimes during reassembly with user error I have seen people do it. Its a fact not my opinion. |
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How often are people field stripping their guns that they need to have a GI guiderod because anything else is just too complicated?
I've only have to disassemble my 1911 2-3 times at the range. That was to swap out different spring rates to tune my gun to a minor load for competition. FWIW, my kimber's FLGR disassembles with ease. Just pushing in the plug, turn the barrel bushing and done. And all I use is the base pad of my mag. The only arguement I can understand preferring one over the other because of aesthitics. |
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Way back when some of the competition guys used tungsten FLGR's in order to add weight. This can reduce muzzle flip and lead to very slightly faster split times. On the Springfield the FLGR is just steel, adds no appreciable weight, and is just for looks. It's also a PITA. If it were mine, I would have swapped out the FLGR for a GI style before I even shot it. Done 3x |
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Quoted: If you are running a lower powered spring for very light target loads it can happen. Not often but can happen to some degree. I am a glock and 1911 armorer and have seen it happen before. I don't know how many guns you have worked on but it can happen and sometimes during reassembly with user error I have seen people do it. Its a fact not my opinion. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: keeps the spring perfectly straight, which in the original design may or may not happen all the time when the pistol cycles. There is no need for a full length guide rod. It is pure fluff that was marketed by the likes of Bill Wilson way back when the custom 1911 craze was in its infancy. The part costs nearly nothing to manufacture, is easy to install and works in almost every 1911. Companies like Wilson make these for less than $2 and sell them for $25 or more and have sold thousands of these to the uneducated masses. You do the math. not all the time If you are running a lower powered spring for very light target loads it can happen. Not often but can happen to some degree. I am a glock and 1911 armorer and have seen it happen before. I don't know how many guns you have worked on but it can happen and sometimes during reassembly with user error I have seen people do it. Its a fact not my opinion. In 30+ years and hundreds of thousands of rounds in every conceivable caliber in a government model, including .38 special wadcutter "light target loads" I have never seen or experienced a kinked recoil spring. Since you're an "armorer", I defer to your superior intellect, understanding and experience. |
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Quoted: I have a real good idea how it works in my 40 years experience.  Run your gun any way you want, as I said its rare but light springs can get a little out of whack for a few different reasons. I work at a gun range 4 days a week and have seen it all. |