Posted: 6/26/2013 4:44:23 AM EDT
| I'm reading that it's very important to test your extractor by pull the mag and shooting 15 rounds. They said this is the best way to tell if your extractor is tensioned properly. My r1 enhanced WILL not pass this test. Stovepipes every time I try. I've adjust the tension on the extractor to no end to resolve. I've sent it in to Remington with no resolution. Thoughts? |
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If it works with a mag in, don't worry about it. There is no benefit to overthinking things if the gun works, especially on the cheaper guns like the Remington.
A loaded round will always droop somewhat because the extractor is not designed to hold the case head against the breechface. The tension is only between the extractor hook flat and the opposite side of the breechface. There should be between .070 - .095" clearance between the inside of the hook and the flat of the breechface. |
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The extractor hold test works as does the Weigand tool. I will say though, the missing mag firing test can be useful. I don't know of any gun that can't be tuned to hold the round and fire without the mag but my sample of personal experience isn't huge.
Is the extractor their stock extractor? Does the gun fire without issue with a mag in 100% of the time? When you do the hold test, how much effort does it take to shake the round off? Does the claw of the extractor contact the inside of the extractor groove in the case or does it contact on the case head with the inside of the extractor? |
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16oz to 24oz on a Weigand pull gage and a fitted oversize firing pin stop to keep it from rotating.... I've always "softened" the tension by removing the center inside bearing surface like this Nowlin so it springs from the rear
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The extractor hold test works as does the Weigand tool. I will say though, the missing mag firing test can be useful. I don't know of any gun that can't be tuned to hold the round and fire without the mag but my sample of personal experience isn't huge. Is the extractor their stock extractor? Does the gun fire without issue with a mag in 100% of the time? When you do the hold test, how much effort does it take to shake the round off? Does the claw of the extractor contact the inside of the extractor groove in the case or does it contact on the case head with the inside of the extractor? Stock, seems to work with the mag 100% now but erratic ejection on the last round, takes a lot of effort to shake the round off but it flops around a lot, I will have to check this out when I get back home from traveling about where the extractor claw is contacting. I can move the round around a lot while it's in there, I know that. |
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The extractor hold test works as does the Weigand tool. I will say though, the missing mag firing test can be useful. I don't know of any gun that can't be tuned to hold the round and fire without the mag but my sample of personal experience isn't huge. Is the extractor their stock extractor? Does the gun fire without issue with a mag in 100% of the time? When you do the hold test, how much effort does it take to shake the round off? Does the claw of the extractor contact the inside of the extractor groove in the case or does it contact on the case head with the inside of the extractor? Stock, seems to work with the mag 100% now but erratic ejection on the last round, takes a lot of effort to shake the round off but it flops around a lot, I will have to check this out when I get back home from traveling about where the extractor claw is contacting. I can move the round around a lot while it's in there, I know that. all sounds normal |
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The extractor hold test works as does the Weigand tool. I will say though, the missing mag firing test can be useful. I don't know of any gun that can't be tuned to hold the round and fire without the mag but my sample of personal experience isn't huge. Is the extractor their stock extractor? Does the gun fire without issue with a mag in 100% of the time? When you do the hold test, how much effort does it take to shake the round off? Does the claw of the extractor contact the inside of the extractor groove in the case or does it contact on the case head with the inside of the extractor? Stock, seems to work with the mag 100% now but erratic ejection on the last round, takes a lot of effort to shake the round off but it flops around a lot, I will have to check this out when I get back home from traveling about where the extractor claw is contacting. I can move the round around a lot while it's in there, I know that. all sounds normal I just packed it up again and shipping it to Remington tomorrow. Something has to be out of spec with the firearm since it won't hold the last round no matter what I do to the extractor. I installed a new site on it so hopefully that won't void my warranty. I'm guessing they'll have to replace the slide or the entire firearm to resolve this issue. If not, I'll have to trade up to a Colt or SA. |
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I'm reading that it's very important to test your extractor by pull the mag and shooting 15 rounds. They said this is the best way to tell if your extractor is tensioned properly. My r1 enhanced WILL not pass this test. Stovepipes every time I try. I've adjust the tension on the extractor to no end to resolve. I've sent it in to Remington with no resolution. Thoughts? Wilson Combat - Checking the Extractor Tension in your 1911 |
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I'm reading that it's very important to test your extractor by pull the mag and shooting 15 rounds. They said this is the best way to tell if your extractor is tensioned properly. My r1 enhanced WILL not pass this test. Stovepipes every time I try. I've adjust the tension on the extractor to no end to resolve. I've sent it in to Remington with no resolution. Thoughts? Wilson Combat - Checking the Extractor Tension in your 1911 Yea, I've been through all of that. The point is, I can tighten it up to the point where it's hard to even get the extractor in and it still doesn't hold the shell the way it should with stovepipes with the mag removed. Something beyond the extractor is going on here. Hopefully Remington will do the right thing but at the end of the day, I just want a 1911 for carry that I can trust. Will stick to the g19, shield, XD40SC until I get the R1E working to spec or trade it up for something that will work. |
| Sold the R1 today and bought a Kimber Eclipse Custom II. I walked in to buy a Springfield or Colt and walked out with the Kimber. Hopefully I made a wise decision. Almost got the Colt 1991 Government but couldn't do it because the Kimber was only $200 more with all of the upgrades. I did learn after my purchase that this Kimber has issues with the paint scratching so I'll need to be careful in and out of the Crossbreed. Overall, I'm glad this nightmare is over. I made the new owner aware of the extractor issue and he didn't seem to care because it works fine with the mags in. I wish I could think like that as well! ha! |
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I'm reading that it's very important to test your extractor by pull the mag and shooting 15 rounds. They said this is the best way to tell if your extractor is tensioned properly. My r1 enhanced WILL not pass this test. Stovepipes every time I try. I've adjust the tension on the extractor to no end to resolve. I've sent it in to Remington with no resolution. Thoughts? Respectfully; Remington sold you a properly functioning pistol, why do you believe that they must do anything to modify the pistol to pass this non standard test, especially after you fuggazyed the extractor and are now having problems with extraction? I realize that you sold the gun off; but what "resolution" were you looking for, since the gun worked properly out of the box before you played with it. |
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I'm reading that it's very important to test your extractor by pull the mag and shooting 15 rounds. They said this is the best way to tell if your extractor is tensioned properly. My r1 enhanced WILL not pass this test. Stovepipes every time I try. I've adjust the tension on the extractor to no end to resolve. I've sent it in to Remington with no resolution. Thoughts? Respectfully; Remington sold you a properly functioning pistol, why do you believe that they must do anything to modify the pistol to pass this non standard test, especially after you fuggazyed the extractor and are now having problems with extraction? I realize that you sold the gun off; but what "resolution" were you looking for, since the gun worked properly out of the box before you played with it. I only started adjusting the extractor because of stovepipes on the last round WITH THE MAG IN. That's when I found there was no way to get it to function with the mag out. They even sent me a new extractor and it had the same issue. It wasn't a huge deal but when the thing would stovepipe on the last round, it would eat the brass beyond recognition. If a pistol does that once, no big deal, but 4 times with no resolution in sight?? The easiest thing to do was to buy another firearm that would operate the way it should without having to send it to the manufacturer twice. On another note, took the Kimber out and man, it functions great, no issues, dead accurate, love the gun. |