Posted: 4/2/2013 3:49:49 AM EDT
Are these guys fucking serious? 
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Their "thing" is ultra precision machining and parts interchangeability. The idea being that if you make everything to a .00004" tolerance, you can swap parts between any two guns and not have to do any fitting.
From what I've read, they make a very precisely-built gun, though this may not translate directly to pure mechanical accuracy downrange. They also seem to be missing some of the finer nuances and attention to detail that many have come to expect on a $5000 gun. If they can get that worked out, and pursue some real, quantifiable accuracy improvements on the platform (the sort of thing that Jerry Keefer and other excellent bullseye smiths have been researching for years), I think they will be very hard to beat from a performance perspective. Personally, I'm not ready to line up to spend money with them, but I'll be interested to see them evolve. |
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... though this may not translate directly to pure mechanical accuracy downrange. They also seem to be missing some of the finer nuances and attention to detail that many have come to expect on a $5000 gun. Having looked through some of their guns this mirrors my impression. |
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But...but..."In even the sublimest of light, the Jones Deluxe appears to shimmer as a glass-topped lake under midnight starry skies, snatching the breath from your chest as it gazes deeply back into your soul."
Well, dammmmmn! No wonder it's $9,950! You gotta pay extra if you want a pistol to gaze deeply into your soul! ...wait. Do I want a gun that gazes deeply into my soul? Upon careful reflection (pun intended), that actually sounds just a little creepy. 
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... though this may not translate directly to pure mechanical accuracy downrange. They also seem to be missing some of the finer nuances and attention to detail that many have come to expect on a $5000 gun. Having looked through some of their guns this mirrors my impression. Holy cow, I didnt think you posted here anymore. We need to post more threads about Cabot guns and maybe then you will post up some of your projects. 
I miss Heirloom project pics 
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".......aesthetically unchallenged......"
That's debatable. I'm sure they're nice and all, but you'd almost have to perform a miracle to out do, what's already been done. I'd rather have a worked over Colt or Springer (by maybe Novak, Heirloom, or Rogers) than any of those. (YMMV,JMHO) Might even be able to have that done, for the price of their lower end guns. |
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Their "thing" is ultra precision machining and parts interchangeability. The idea being that if you make everything to a .00004" tolerance, you can swap parts between any two guns and not have to do any fitting. From what I've read, they make a very precisely-built gun, though this may not translate directly to pure mechanical accuracy downrange. They also seem to be missing some of the finer nuances and attention to detail that many have come to expect on a $5000 gun. If they can get that worked out, and pursue some real, quantifiable accuracy improvements on the platform (the sort of thing that Jerry Keefer and other excellent bullseye smiths have been researching for years), I think they will be very hard to beat from a performance perspective. Personally, I'm not ready to line up to spend money with them, but I'll be interested to see them evolve. Ken, does it make more sense to build a 1911 so precisely- with what it costs to do so, or does it make more sense to handfit some parts when changing them? It seems cheaper to handfit triggers, barrels/bushings, grip safeties, etc. |
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Their "thing" is ultra precision machining and parts interchangeability. The idea being that if you make everything to a .00004" tolerance, you can swap parts between any two guns and not have to do any fitting. From what I've read, they make a very precisely-built gun, though this may not translate directly to pure mechanical accuracy downrange. They also seem to be missing some of the finer nuances and attention to detail that many have come to expect on a $5000 gun. If they can get that worked out, and pursue some real, quantifiable accuracy improvements on the platform (the sort of thing that Jerry Keefer and other excellent bullseye smiths have been researching for years), I think they will be very hard to beat from a performance perspective. Personally, I'm not ready to line up to spend money with them, but I'll be interested to see them evolve. Ken, does it make more sense to build a 1911 so precisely- with what it costs to do so, or does it make more sense to handfit some parts when changing them? It seems cheaper to handfit triggers, barrels/bushings, grip safeties, etc. Sure it's cheaper, when you consider what a 5-axis machining center costs. I'm certainly not a professional machinist or pistolsmith, but I personally think there is a point of diminishing returns when you apply ultra-high accuracy manufacturing methods to the 1911 design. Les Baer's method, which is relatively low-tech, can get a gun shooting under 1.5" at 50 yards. Of course he has the advantage of building every part exactly how he wants it. A builder really has to understand a whole lot about the platform and details like barrel twist rates, headspacing, lug engagement, and so on in order to really wring the last bits of accuracy out of a gun. (If you haven't read some of Jerry Keefer's posts about how he builds guns, go find them. It's mind blowing how much thought and care he puts into precisely fitting a 1911 for maximum accuracy.) And then there's the hand craftsmanship aspect of a custom 1911. It's extremely gratifying to own a firearm that a master craftsman has poured hours of his best work into. |