[ARCHIVED THREAD] - TRP vs Valor (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/10/2013 2:38:42 PM EDT
I bought myself a TRP for my birthday. I took my present to the range today. The gun far exceeded my expectations. The Valor is a bit more accurate, but the TRP was awesome! No FTF or FTE. I shot ball and hollow points through it. The two piece guide rod on the TRP bugs me. I guess I'm getting too old!! 
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So how did the TRP stack up against the Valor in terms of parts fitting and parts quality? I put 250 rounds through the TRP today and it didn't "loosen up" at all. It is much tighter than the Valor. The Valor is more of a traditional 1911 (one piece guide rod, stock mag well, etc.) The quality on both guns is amazing and for the price it should be. How much was the cost difference between the two? The TRP was $200.00 cheaper than the Valor. Which do you like better? This is a tough question. Right now, probably theTRP. The large mag well is very nice and the trigger is set at 4.5 pounds. The Valor has a much lighter trigger that I'm having a hard time getting used to shooting. Which do you think is a better value? The TRP. |
Haha I can handle the mim, but the only thing I like Brazilian is women.
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IMHO the stainless Valors are great buy at around $1400 if you can find one, but the Duty Finish while great does move cost up about $300. You are getting pretty close to Les Baer territory at those prices. And yet the valor is just as good as the same les baer at the price level you speak of, with a better finish. |
| I own a TRP and sold both DW and springfield for all last year. If I had to make a choice based on handling, fit, and finish it would not even be a close race with Dan Wesson coming out on top. I am amazed at the quality of pistol they put out at the price they do. Sit them next to a Wilson/Nighthawk and it makes the custom gun a hard choice. |
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I own a TRP and sold both DW and springfield for all last year. If I had to make a choice based on handling, fit, and finish it would not even be a close race with Dan Wesson coming out on top. I am amazed at the quality of pistol they put out at the price they do. Sit them next to a Wilson/Nighthawk and it makes the custom gun a hard choice. There is nothing more custom about a Wilson Combat or a Night Hawk sitting in the case than a Dan Wesson Valor. They are all production pistols. |
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I own a TRP and sold both DW and springfield for all last year. If I had to make a choice based on handling, fit, and finish it would not even be a close race with Dan Wesson coming out on top. I am amazed at the quality of pistol they put out at the price they do. Sit them next to a Wilson/Nighthawk and it makes the custom gun a hard choice. There is nothing more custom about a Wilson Combat or a Night Hawk sitting in the case than a Dan Wesson Valor. They are all production pistols. I don't own a Wilson or a Night Hawk(would like to  ) but I do have a Les Baer and a Dan Wesson. I can say that the DW has a very nice finish better than the Baer but DW are production guns and "don't" have the same level of hand fitting of a Baer. The DW is mostly CNC fitted and that is absolutely fine, Les Baers are hand fit. There are draw file marks on my Les Baer where fitting has been done. I love both pistols and it comes down to personal preference do the research and find what works best for you. For me I have chose to order another Baer custom built to my specs. to each their own. 
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IMHO the stainless Valors are great buy at around $1400 if you can find one, but the Duty Finish while great does move cost up about $300. You are getting pretty close to Les Baer territory at those prices. And yet the valor is just as good as the same les baer at the price level you speak of, with a better finish. I'll take the hard fit Kart barrel over the no-name SS barrel any day of the week. |
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I went to the range yesterday to shoot both the Valor and TRP. Both ran great and I'm finally getting used the Valor trigger. I found a used Vbob that was looking for a home. Darn it of it doesn't shoot better than the other two!!!
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I really like my TRP. Ive owned way more expensive ones than a TRP, but for the money you cannot beat the TRP. http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/cclement45/IMG_8043_zps847d3588.jpg]http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/cclement45/IMG_8043_zps847d3588.jpg]http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/cclement45/IMG_8043_zps847d3588.jpg Nice to see one that doesn't look like it's spent it's time wrapped in cotton balls in a temperature controlled safe... Shes in rough shape for only being a little over a year old. Its about time to rebuild her. I got a class next month after that I think its time for a new barrel. Shes really loosened up. But no, it generally gets shot weekly and is carried every day. It rarely has a hiccup and when it does its a mag or out of spec reload 1911s look so much sexier with wear 
ETA heres the only gun I regret getting rid of 
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Les Baer hand fit - relieving manufacturing variances enough with a file to pound to machined metal pieces together. Maybe if they did a better job machining the parts in the first place, they would have to do a lot less hand fitting later. Wow, clueless much. 
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that is one sexy 1911. How many rounds do you have through the trp? and how many did you have through the hawk? Probably 3-4k on the trp. I had prob close to 10k on the nighthawk before I traded it off The trp rattles worse than a glock. Its had a hard life though. |
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that is one sexy 1911. How many rounds do you have through the trp? and how many did you have through the hawk? Probably 3-4k on the trp. I had prob close to 10k on the nighthawk before I traded it off The trp rattles worse than a glock. Its had a hard life though. 3,000 - 4,000 rounds is a hard life, that's when most quality 1911s are just getting broken in. |
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Les Baer hand fit - relieving manufacturing variances enough with a file to pound to machined metal pieces together. Maybe if they did a better job machining the parts in the first place, they would have to do a lot less hand fitting later. Wow, clueless much.
No, it is a do it right the first time. Hand fitting is compensation for insufficient machining. Of course, Les Baer the company which insists backwards castle nuts are better and everyone else is wrong, might want people to believe that a need for hand fitting is better. They might also want people to believe a slide that is difficult to pull back is also properly fit. |
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Les Baer hand fit - relieving manufacturing variances enough with a file to pound to machined metal pieces together. Maybe if they did a better job machining the parts in the first place, they would have to do a lot less hand fitting later. Wow, clueless much.
No, it is a do it right the first time. Hand fitting is compensation for insufficient machining. Of course, Les Baer the company which insists backwards castle nuts are better and everyone else is wrong, might want people to believe that a need for hand fitting is better. They might also want people to believe a slide that is difficult to pull back is also properly fit. You're making yourself look stupid. Just back out now before you remove all doubt. |
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Les Baer hand fit - relieving manufacturing variances enough with a file to pound to machined metal pieces together. Maybe if they did a better job machining the parts in the first place, they would have to do a lot less hand fitting later. Wow, clueless much.
No, it is a do it right the first time. Hand fitting is compensation for insufficient machining. Of course, Les Baer the company which insists backwards castle nuts are better and everyone else is wrong, might want people to believe that a need for hand fitting is better. They might also want people to believe a slide that is difficult to pull back is also properly fit. You're making yourself look stupid. Just back out now before you remove all doubt. No, I am not stupid. I did not waste money on the Baer and think I was getting something I was not, and then have to go on the internet perpetually defending said expenditure. A properly fit anything - 1911, car door or pair of scissors will move smoothly and with ease. Tightening a pistol with a poor fit and improperly made barrel link - quality does it not make. Baer is no where in the league of Wilson Combat, Brown or the Valor. I have neither seen a Baer product nor shot one that impressed me the slightest. |
| One of my friends stopped using Baer extractors in his Baer 1911 because of the failure rate he experienced. The Wilson combat one has held 100%. He really wishes he bought the Valor and extra ammo with the price difference. The pistol has been the butt of jokes consistently but no one will trade their Valor to him for his Baer so he is stuck. |
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I would go with the Valor! I actually did.
good call. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=321236 |
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I would go with the Valor! I actually did.
good call. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=321236 Good read, confirms that if I ever part with my kimber im headed straight for a valor |
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I would go with the Valor! I actually did.
good call. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=321236 Thanks for the link - Good material! I can see Valor all the way! |
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You're making yourself look stupid. Just back out now before you remove all doubt. Exactly what I was thinking. tfod, Let me know when the Valor starts shipping with a 50 yard test target like this one that came with my friends Baer UM. There's a reason some of the competition comes with a test target that is shot at 15 yards. The Valor is a great 1911, I have several friends that have them and I've thought of picking one up myself at some point. Your thoughts on the Baer guns are goofy to say the least. Way too many of them out there with a boatload of rounds through them for anyone to question the level of quality they are built to.
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Notice people always show a picture of the test target? It is because they can not shoot as good as the ransom rest at the factory. I have an AR that shoots under an inch at 100 yards any day of the week with me behind it.
and p.s, /the Valor outshout the 1.5" guarantee Baer.... Oh Snap! ACCURACY TESTING RESULTS – 5 Shot Groups From 25 Yards Tightest group fired Rank Pistol Group Size Ammunition type 1.Severns Custom modified Dan Wesson Valor 0.554” 230gr Federal FMJ 2.Dan Wesson Black Valor 0.999” 230gr Federal FMJ 3.Baer 1.5” Guarantee Thunder Ranch Special 1.010” 200gr lead SWC 4.Springfield Armory Professional 1.096” 200gr lead SWC 5.Baer standard Thunder Ranch Special 1.524” 200gr lead SWC 6.Springfield 9109LP Loaded model 1.943” 200gr lead SWC Average Group; 230gr Federal FMJ Ammunition Rank Pistol Group Size 1.Severns Custom modified Dan Wesson Valor: 0.854” 2.Dan Wesson black Valor: 1.398” 3.Springfield Armory Professional: 1.676” 4.Baer 1.5” Guarantee Thunder Ranch Special: 1.766” 5.Baer standard Thunder Ranch Special: 1.983” 6.Springfield 9109LP Loaded: 4.504 
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You're making yourself look stupid. Just back out now before you remove all doubt. Exactly what I was thinking. tfod, Let me know when the Valor starts shipping with a 50 yard test target like this one that came with my friends Baer UM. There's a reason some of the competition comes with a test target that is shot at 15 yards. The Valor is a great 1911, I have several friends that have them and I've thought of picking one up myself at some point. Your thoughts on the Baer guns are goofy to say the least. Way too many of them out there with a boatload of rounds through them for anyone to question the level of quality they are built to.
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| I have had cheap guns that out shot guns much more expensive more than once so I wouldnt put much faith in anyones test results other than my own. companies would say anything to sell and no one does reviews for no reason weather or not they get paid for them theres always an angle. One baer may out shoot one valor one day and get different results from two different guns because each one is different and just because one shoots great doesnt mean they all will. If you like the valor then buy it and if you like the baer then buy it but getting into a pissing match doesnt mean either one is better than the other to anyone other than yourself and the back and forth just hurts your cause to others reading it. |
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I think I will start shipping Hi-point pistold with a one hole test target for 200 meters. Apparently, the important thing to some gun owners is only how good the company tells them their products are! One more time because you seem to be a little slow.
You're making yourself look stupid. Just back out now before you remove all doubt.
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I think I will start shipping Hi-point pistold with a one hole test target for 200 meters. Apparently, the important thing to some gun owners is only how good the company tells them their products are! One more time because you seem to be a little slow.
You're making yourself look stupid. Just back out now before you remove all doubt.
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I can appreciate a hand fit gun. Many custom guns are built from parts made by others and need to be fit.
If I owned the manufacturing process from end to end I would machine the parts to require a minimum of fitting. manufacturing capabilities today are not what they were 100 or even 10 years ago. Fitting doesn't make a Baer bad but the service at least one friend got is enough to keep me away. |
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I can appreciate a hand fit gun. Many custom guns are built from parts made by others and need to be fit. If I owned the manufacturing process from end to end I would machine the parts to require a minimum of fitting. manufacturing capabilities today are not what they were 100 or even 10 years ago. Fitting doesn't make a Baer bad but the service at least one friend got is enough to keep me away. This seems to be the norm, I have not heard one good thing about their service. |