[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SA TRPs (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/17/2012 12:50:35 PM EDT
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Why are the TRP pistols so expensive? I have been looking around and have noticed they are selling new for $1800.00 plus for a railed pistol. I am looking for a non railed pistol but those prices are in the Les Baer- Ed Brown range. |
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$1800 is high.
Do a search. You should be able to find one at $1500 or under. I can't speak from experience but owners claim desirable features and quality workmanship. Couple that with Springfield's no hassle lifetime warranty, and supply and demand and you have a nice, high-end production pistol. I'd sure like to have one. YMMV a-bare |
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I have a couple of SA 1911s. I am looking for one with combat sights to carry. All of mine have either an optic or target sights. I am trying to decide if the TRP is enough better than a Loaded or Sig to justify the extra cost. I would love to find one used but in good condition. |
| They're really nice. I compared one side by side with a Colt Rail gun, the TRP felt smoother. To be completely honest, I think the TRP had more rounds through it, so that might be the reason. There is a little more hand fitting that goes into them than the regular production guns. I'm glad I got mine. |
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They spendy because they're the poor man's Professional. And they're produced in lower numbers.
I think they're a hella deal in the $1400-$1500 range; lots of good add-ons for not a lot (relatively) more money. One of these days I'm going to send in my GI model and get the Pro package, though. |
| The TRPs are nice, but I would not pay $1800 for one, even with the rail. I own an older TRP (non rail) that I bought about 10 years ago and it is a great pistol and it has been 100% reliable with several thousand rounds fired. I own several Springfield Armory 1911s, including a Range Officer, Champion, MC Operator and a GI model. If you look around you should be able to find a new one for around $1400 to $1500. That would be my top dollar for a TRP and if I was going to spend more than that, I would look at something else. |
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I really don't want a rail. I would like to find a used TRP but they don't get sold as often as other pistols. I am thinking that I could buy 2 pistols for the cost of a TRP alone. My Loaded and Target Match are both gtg and am trying to decide if the TRP is that much better. I need something with fixed sights to carry. If I can't find one used Iwill go with something else. There is a Sig at a pawn shop I need to look at. If I can get it for around $600.00 or less, and I probably can, I may get it and some flavor of 9mm to go with it and spend less than a TRP. |
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I really don't want a rail. I would like to find a used TRP but they don't get sold as often as other pistols. I am thinking that I could buy 2 pistols for the cost of a TRP alone. My Loaded and Target Match are both gtg and am trying to decide if the TRP is that much better. I need something with fixed sights to carry. If I can't find one used Iwill go with something else. There is a Sig at a pawn shop I need to look at. If I can get it for around $600.00 or less, and I probably can, I may get it and some flavor of 9mm to go with it and spend less than a TRP. Go for it then. The price difference between a TRP and a Loaded for example is in features, components and fit of parts. If you don't think the difference warrants the price hike, by two cheaper guns. |
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I really don't want a rail. I would like to find a used TRP but they don't get sold as often as other pistols. I am thinking that I could buy 2 pistols for the cost of a TRP alone. My Loaded and Target Match are both gtg and am trying to decide if the TRP is that much better. I need something with fixed sights to carry. If I can't find one used Iwill go with something else. There is a Sig at a pawn shop I need to look at. If I can get it for around $600.00 or less, and I probably can, I may get it and some flavor of 9mm to go with it and spend less than a TRP. Go for it then. The price difference between a TRP and a Loaded for example is in features, components and fit of parts. If you don't think the difference warrants the price hike, by two cheaper guns. Don't get me wrong. I have no doubt they are very good pistols. Something else that I didn't mention is that my pistols are not exactly stock. I change MSH, triggers, etc. to suit my shooting. I don't know if the big difference is mainly in box stock pidtols where nothing would need to be done to the TRP that a Loaded might need. My Loaded also has a match barrel so I may not be really aware of what a stock Loaded really is. I just need to know how much better the TRP is than a stock Loaded and why. It would be nice to have a 1911 that I won't need to tune, but if a Loaded or a Sig would just need a little tweaking to be almost as good i don't mind. I never meant to come across as putting the TRP down. It's just that I can either spend everything I have saved up for now on a TRP or have some left over. |
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How much better is a personal thing. If someone NEEDs tactical stamped on their gun then the TRP is millions times better, if someone doesn't want checkering or doesn't like 20lpi checkering and would want 25 or 30 then the TRP would suck for them (TRP's are 20lpi if I recall correctly).
Or example- I wanted a railed 1911 9mm. I would love basically a Pro railed 9mm. I have a Warren Tactical run on order. Are there things in the build I would prefer different, sure, but for what I wanted it is the best option. Now if someone thinks 9mm 1911's are an abomination then to them there's nothing to be done to make a 9mm 1911 better than ANY 45acp. Once you hit a certain $$ point in 1911's, like alot of guns, the how much better isn't something you can necessarily measure as it's different for everyone imho. |
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How much better is a personal thing. If someone NEEDs tactical stamped on their gun then the TRP is millions times better, if someone doesn't want checkering or doesn't like 20lpi checkering and would want 25 or 30 then the TRP would suck for them (TRP's are 20lpi if I recall correctly). Or example- I wanted a railed 1911 9mm. I would love basically a Pro railed 9mm. I have a Warren Tactical run on order. Are there things in the build I would prefer different, sure, but for what I wanted it is the best option. Now if someone thinks 9mm 1911's are an abomination then to them there's nothing to be done to make a 9mm 1911 better than ANY 45acp. Once you hit a certain $$ point in 1911's, like alot of guns, the how much better isn't something you can necessarily measure as it's different for everyone imho. What is that price point? About the SA Loaded level? |
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I paid 1400 for mine, Its non railed however.
Ive had a nighthawk and several kimbers before. Be completely honest with you the TRP is very comparable to the NH. The NH was fitted a little better with a little more attention to detail, but not over 1K more attention to detail Im very pleased with my TRP |
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TRP is a line of guns. Operator is a springfield model with a rail.
It seems around $1K (lil under) you start getting more personalized on wants/needs. You can find many very good guns under $1K- is spending more worth it depends on what you want/need. Again this is only my opinion. |
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For what Springfield is selling the TRP for nowadays I would go with a Les Baer if it came down to buying new.
Theyre up to 1450 without a rail or so around here when they turn up. You are in Premier 2 and Concept pricing. Baers got the best deal going in production 1911s. Look for an MC Operator, just as well built and the same parts as the TRP. Just no kind of dorky rollmarks or checkering. You just have to get past that ugly green frame. |
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Quoted: Look for an MC Operator, just as well built and the same parts as the TRP. Just no kind of dorky rollmarks or checkering. You just have to get past that ugly green frame. That's not my understanding. I don't believe the Operator and the TRP are essentially the same minus the roll mark. Similar, but not the same. The TRP has the edge, at least that's what I've been told. Anyone know for sure?
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Quoted: I thought I remembered that one had a bull barrel and the other a barrel and bushing. I really need to research more about it. I want a 1911 with a barrel with bushing and no rail. I think it's the Operator that has the bull barrel. Just google TRP Novak or TRP no rail > Images.
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I have both, an armory coated TRP and a MC Operator and I can't see a lot of difference as far as accuracy and reliability. The TRP is fitted a little better than the Operator and it has some features that the Operator does not have. The TRP has 20 lpi front strap checkering which a lot of people say is too rough especially on the stainless version. I don't have a problem with the checkering, but I can see it could be a problem for some people. All of the internal parts on the TRP are scribe marked to match the pistol which tells me that the TRP has seen more hand fitting. It's been called the "poor man's Professional".
I just bought the MC Operator a few weeks ago and it has only about 500 rounds thru it. Both pistols are great, but if I had to choose one of them to buy now, it would be the Operator. I think the Operator is the better buy right now due to the popularity of the TRP. And I like the green frame. |
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I thought I remembered that one had a bull barrel and the other a barrel and bushing. I really need to research more about it. I want a 1911 with a barrel with bushing and no rail. I think it's the Operator that has the bull barrel. 
Correct. I have the half railed gun; in the video below you can see the disassembly issues with bull barrel around the 4:00 mark discussed & demonstrated. Not a huge deal but I do wish it didn't require 'tools' to disassemble. I know you can buy the Dawson guide rod but I'd rather spend my money on ammo. 
To the OPs original question––-I think they're so expensive because they're semi-custom guns. FWIW, I've owned a lot of 1911s and this is the only one that cost under $2k that has been 100% reliable out of the box with any ammo/mag combination I've thrown at it. 
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My question is if the TRP is the production-ized version of the PRO, why isn't there a production-ized variant of the PRO Operator?
The MC Operator is close, but the green frame is kind of honky to me, and no checkering or magwell. Not that these items can't be added later, but given that an extremely popular modification to the TRP Operator seems to be replacing the adjustable sights, why not just give it a Novak cut in the first place like the standard TRP and PRO Operator? ~Augee |
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http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f56/vcorpscommander/2012-09-06_22-07-34_720.jpg I had my MC Operator refinished in AC along with a magwell and 30lpi checkering. Also had a trigger job performed. Best of both worlds IMHO. Very nice... 
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My question is if the TRP is the production-ized version of the PRO, why isn't there a production-ized variant of the PRO Operator? The MC Operator is close, but the green frame is kind of honky to me, and no checkering or magwell. Not that these items can't be added later, but given that an extremely popular modification to the TRP Operator seems to be replacing the adjustable sights, why not just give it a Novak cut in the first place like the standard TRP and PRO Operator? ~Augee I cant for the life of me understand the reasoning of the BoMar type sight on the TRP Operator. You can always get the slide welded up and recut for a Novak. Or just get in line and get the Pro Operator.
OP if your shopping used, not wanting a rail then the Les Baer is the way to go. So you know I speak from experience and all. 
The TRP was a great deal back when you could get them for 1250 NIB. I sold mine after I put about 10k rounds through it to buy more reloading components for my other two .45s It just didnt get used anymore once the Baer showed up. Out of the 3 Im running now, the Baer is the only one right now, I could say Id buy all over again. |
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My question is if the TRP is the production-ized version of the PRO, why isn't there a production-ized variant of the PRO Operator? The MC Operator is close, but the green frame is kind of honky to me, and no checkering or magwell. Not that these items can't be added later, but given that an extremely popular modification to the TRP Operator seems to be replacing the adjustable sights, why not just give it a Novak cut in the first place like the standard TRP and PRO Operator? ~Augee I cant for the life of me understand the reasoning of the BoMar type sight on the TRP Operator. You can always get the slide welded up and recut for a Novak. Or just get in line and get the Pro Operator.
OP if your shopping used, not wanting a rail then the Les Baer is the way to go. So you know I speak from experience and all. http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q217/machinegun74/25yd.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q217/machinegun74/100_0069.jpg The TRP was a great deal back when you could get them for 1250 NIB. I sold mine after I put about 10k rounds through it to buy more reloading components for my other two .45s It just didnt get used anymore once the Baer showed up. Out of the 3 Im running now, the Baer is the only one right now, I could say Id buy all over again. As expensive as the new TRPs are I might as well get a Les Baer or Ed Brown. I would love a Wilson but they are out of my price range. Jim |
| I was lucky to find 2 of them used, a stainless and an AC. the stainless checkering does bite worse thn the AC. the stainless had the MSH chaned, along with all the mim parts. I got that one wiith all the original parts for 1000.00. I bought the AC first for 1050.00, stock. I saw a 1/2 rail in a LGS for 1649.00 recently, and felt it a bit high, but it was brand new. I think accuracy wise it's right there with my wesson and Stinger. |
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Wow, when you snooze you really do lose. I slept in a little Sunday morning and missed this ad in the EE. I saw it after someone jumped on it. I would have jumped too- an Ed Brown Special Forces for $1250.00? |
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i bought a used trp on gunbroker last year no rail for 950 shipped to me. It was the older model with non adjustable sights. I have had no regrets All non-railed TRP's have Novak sights. That's the one I want. I will keep looking. Fortunately I am not in a hurry so I will find one. Unless I cave and buy a Sig 226 and a Glock G34. I can get both for the price of a TRP. |
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I thought I remembered that one had a bull barrel and the other a barrel and bushing. I really need to research more about it. I want a 1911 with a barrel with bushing and no rail. I think it's the Operator that has the bull barrel. If you're looking for an SA TRP without a Rail and a traditional Barrel/Bushing, I'd give this one a really hard look: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_88/1039604_WTS_Stainless_Springfield_TRP_w__extras___Black_IonBond____1300.html It's not mine and I have no ties to it - other than helping the OP out buy "hot linking" his photos. I'd buy it for $1,200 if I needed another 1911, and I'd bet you could get it for that shipped. Good luck! |
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I thought I remembered that one had a bull barrel and the other a barrel and bushing. I really need to research more about it. I want a 1911 with a barrel with bushing and no rail. I think it's the Operator that has the bull barrel. If you're looking for an SA TRP without a Rail and a traditional Barrel/Bushing, I'd give this one a really hard look: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_88/1039604_WTS_Stainless_Springfield_TRP_w__extras___Black_IonBond____1300.html It's not mine and I have no ties to it - other than helping the OP out buy "hot linking" his photos. I'd buy it for $1,200 if I needed another 1911, and I'd bet you could get it for that shipped. Good luck! It does look like exactly what I am looking for. I sent an IM. I would like to see a few more pics. I have a friend with an FFL that can get me a TRP for wholesale- when they are back in stock, for about the same price. The problem is that I don't know when they will be back in stock. |
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The full-railed TRPs, made for the California market typically retail (at least around here) for $1800+, and they're quickly sold out. The cpnventional half-rail versions sell at the same shops for $1400+. just curious, why are the full-railed TRPs made for the california market? |
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Do the full rail TRPs have a bull barrel? It seems chunky, almost too much for concealed carry, but a friend found one with around 100 rounds through it for $1,000.00 and I am very tempted.
Edited to add: Nevermind. I didn't even manage to get registered on that site before someone else jumped on it. That's probably a good thing since it wasn't exactly what I want, but damn that was a good price. |
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Quoted: Do the full rail TRPs have a bull barrel? Quoted: Quoted: I thought I remembered that one had a bull barrel and the other a barrel and bushing. I really need to research more about it. I want a 1911 with a barrel with bushing and no rail. I think it's the Operator that has the bull barrel. Just google TRP Novak or TRP no rail > Images. |
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The seller contacted me again saying I could have it if I wanted it. Fortunately the pics showed target sights instead of the combat sights I wanted. I say fortunately because it is a scam. Several people, including the admin on the S&W forum alerted me to the seller, sherry.lynn, being a scammer on several boards. A full railed TRP for $1k sure was tempting though. |
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I wish you find what you are looking for sooner rather than later. I myself wish that I could be doing the same, so I will be joining you in the journey vicariously. I may just look for an SA Loaded. It would be good enough. No it won't  . I used to do this. I'd lust over something for a while and if I couldn't find it at my local shops I'd use the money for something else that was similar. In the end I would end up taking a hit when I sold it or traded it for what I really wanted to begin with. I've learned that if my local shop can't get it I call around the country and often get a better deal even after transfer fees.
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I wish you find what you are looking for sooner rather than later. I myself wish that I could be doing the same, so I will be joining you in the journey vicariously. I may just look for an SA Loaded. It would be good enough. No it won't . I used to do this. I'd lust over something for a while and if I couldn't find it at my local shops I'd use the money for something else that was similar. In the end I would end up taking a hit when I sold it or traded it for what I really wanted to begin with. I've learned that if my local shop can't get it I call around the country and often get a better deal even after transfer fees.I have a Loaded that I use in competition that is as good or better than a TRP, but it isn't stock. It has a match barrel and bushing, a Videki trigger and the sear and hammer prepped for a very crisp pull. I have changed the MSH and extractor. I probably still have less in it than a TRP. I really would prefer a pistol than I didn't have to work on to get it where I want it and a TRP would do that. I am just not willing to spend $1300 or more for one. I can get one wholesale if they get back in stock at my FFL's supplier. A $600 loaded with work would be less but I would have to work on it. I will just take some time and see what I can find. It helps that I am not in a hurry. |