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11/14/2011 11:40:53 AM EDT
I have been carrying for over ten years now with a glock being my go to weapon.   I carried a SA milspec for about 6 months until I sold it to make room for  some other things.   Recently, I picked up a remington R1 and am considering adding it to the rotation.   However, I would like to add a beavertail safety first, so here is the question:  Is it a bad idea to modify a 1911 for carry?   I guess the real question is, would a modified carry gun be looked at differently by a judge/ jury if used in a sd scenario?


Let's assume the sd scenario is completely justified but we have all heard how these things can be investigated and lead to civil suits, etc.

Thanks

11/14/2011 11:51:03 AM EDT
[#1]
Putting a beavertail or better sights or safety, more comfortable grips, better barrel, fitted bushing etc, will not lead to the gun being looked at differently if used in a justifiable manner in a shooting.



Loading multiple projectile rounds or upside down wadcutters on the other hand, wouldn't be the best idea.
11/14/2011 12:45:14 PM EDT
[#2]

In this crazy world we have anything 'could' be used against you, but a modification that allowed you to more safely manipulate the firearm shouldn't be an issue any more than enhanced aftermarket sights would... improved sights help you more accurately shoot and a modified beavertail safety more effectively and safely allowed you to manipulate the weapon under stress.  Some people get too wrapped up in the whole what-if and SD possibilities... Potentially it could used against me I've taken many training courses or used JHP ammo, I say it increases my chances of surviving...

11/14/2011 3:34:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Good responses.  Thanks.  

11/14/2011 5:02:13 PM EDT
[#4]
Go for it.  Wilsons drop in looks and feels terrible on an R1

Other forum members including myself have had excellent results with the Ed Brown bevertail.

Use the Jig, it's very straight forward.








11/14/2011 6:08:42 PM EDT
[#5]
Do the modifications you want to do. I don't believe it would play against you as long as every thing else was a 'go'
I sure hope so because I finally did some mods that I had been wanting to do for a year or more. Over the past couple years I have added an Ed Brown trigger, thumb safety, barstock hammer, flat MSH, and beavertail grip safety. i almost bought a "drop in" part and just delt with the gap but my local shop said I could borrow their jig if I wanted to do the fitted one by myself (love my local shop) and I ruined one safety but the other one came out great (took off too much for the trigger bar stop so it was no longer a safety on the first one)

Anyway, it's totally worth it just make sure it runs 100% of course.

11/14/2011 6:14:16 PM EDT
[#6]
I definitely like the looks of the Ed Brown safety much better than the drop in.  I think the plan is going to  be: shoot the hell out of the R1, send it in for platinum service, then when it comes back cleaned up, I'll buy the jig and fit it right.

The one question is how to refinish the part that will be filed off.  My R1 is the OD green version.
11/14/2011 6:54:14 PM EDT
[#7]
spray paint
11/14/2011 7:30:55 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
spray paint

Lol yep. Since my MilSpec has gotten pretty worn and beat up, I just threw some engine paint on the exposed metal until I am sure I am "done" then I will duracoat it but it's fine for now since it's a beater carry piece.
11/15/2011 7:55:17 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Putting a beavertail or better sights or safety, more comfortable grips, better barrel, fitted bushing etc, will not lead to the gun being looked at differently if used in a justifiable manner in a shooting.

Loading multiple projectile rounds or upside down wadcutters on the other hand, wouldn't be the best idea.


what are wadcutters?
11/15/2011 8:05:28 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Putting a beavertail or better sights or safety, more comfortable grips, better barrel, fitted bushing etc, will not lead to the gun being looked at differently if used in a justifiable manner in a shooting.

Loading multiple projectile rounds or upside down wadcutters on the other hand, wouldn't be the best idea.


what are wadcutters?


all lead flat nose target ammo with a hollow base.  Only good at punching nice clean round holes in target paper.
11/15/2011 8:31:13 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Putting a beavertail or better sights or safety, more comfortable grips, better barrel, fitted bushing etc, will not lead to the gun being looked at differently if used in a justifiable manner in a shooting.

Loading multiple projectile rounds or upside down wadcutters on the other hand, wouldn't be the best idea.



Upside down wadcutters?

Like loaded into the case backwards?

11/15/2011 11:33:12 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Putting a beavertail or better sights or safety, more comfortable grips, better barrel, fitted bushing etc, will not lead to the gun being looked at differently if used in a justifiable manner in a shooting.

Loading multiple projectile rounds or upside down wadcutters on the other hand, wouldn't be the best idea.



Upside down wadcutters?

Like loaded into the case backwards?



Old trick with 38 Specials.  Load a hollow base wadcutter upside down.  Think ginormous hollow point.
11/16/2011 10:34:56 AM EDT
[#13]
JIm Cerrilo had good luck with wadcutters. . .
11/16/2011 6:24:35 PM EDT
[#14]




Quoted:

JIm Cerrilo had good luck with wadcutters. . .




Yes he did.  Just got done reading his book.



Interesting how back then they would load one wadcutter into a semi, and then follow that with a magazine of ball.  Back before the advent of reliably feeding hollow-points.



A good read, if you get the chance.
11/17/2011 7:50:23 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

Quoted:
JIm Cerrilo had good luck with wadcutters. . .


Yes he did.  Just got done reading his book.

Interesting how back then they would load one wadcutter into a semi, and then follow that with a magazine of ball.  Back before the advent of reliably feeding hollow-points.

A good read, if you get the chance.


+1

excellent read.

11/28/2011 3:53:55 PM EDT
[#16]
OK.  So I am gathering the funds to buy the jig, the ed brown grip safety, and a new hammer (any good recomendations?).   What tools should I have available / use to file down the tang?