Posted: 8/15/2011 11:59:59 AM EDT
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Whats the skinny on the Taurus pt1911? If you have one and like it, please chime in. If you have had a bad expierence with one, I would like to hear from you as well. I am also looking hard at the S&W1911 and the new offering from Ruger. I am on a limited budget and would like to add a 1911 to the safe.
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Save your cash and buy a quality 1911 or it is nothing more than a waste of money and could turn you off to the platform. The Taurus gives you the fancy options for cheap however their 1911's have proven to be less than reliable especially with hard use. I prefer internal extractors on my 1911's but S&W would be a little better than the Taurus. Buy a Colt or SA and you will be better suited in the long run.
The Ruger also appears to be a promising cheap 1911 but it needs a few years in the market to see how they fair in the reliability dept. I'm sure that hoards off Taurus owners will be by shortly to tell you how wonderful they are and that I don't know anything about 1911's. |
I like my Taurus. I bought it to be my shooter since I no longer shoot my Colts and military. Accurate and reliable, but I did take out the stupid ambi safety and put in a single safety (gunsmith job). I also changed the hammer and sear, got rid of the long guide rod in favor of a standard set-up, refinished it and added night sights and hi-grade cocobolo grips. I continue to use the original 8-rd mags and bought a number of others of the same design by ACT-MAG and MEC-GAR in bright blue, bright nickel, Parkerized and matte blue. They all work fine. It shoots to point of aim at 45' (15 yds).
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Quoted: Whats the skinny on the Taurus pt1911? If you have one and like it, please chime in. If you have had a bad expierence with one, I would like to hear from you as well. I am also looking hard at the S&W1911 and the new offering from Ruger. I am on a limited budget and would like to add a 1911 to the safe. Thanks I would recommend that you purchase a new Springfield Armory Mil Spec or a used COLT MKIV Series 80 that has not been "bubbafied." (Most COLTs are expensive enough that "bubba" usually doesn't buy one and if he does, he doesn't dork with it.) Taurus is hit or miss. Usually hit, but miss often enough as to make most folks wary of them. I have owned 3 new Taurus firearms and all of them have been excellent. But, I would not recommend that a noob buy one as his cherry popper. |
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I've got one that shoots well. The finish is thin, but oh well. Ditched the full length guide rod in favor of a GI setup. My buddy, after shooting it the other day, remarked that if his Colt Gold Cup is a 10, the Taurus is a 9. YMMV - I'm happy with this one.
that being said - I am a SUPERFAN of the Springfield NM-prefix Loaded models. I got the parkerized with a stainless barrel & bushing - & it's a laser for a couple hundred bucks more. |
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I have the ruger and it is 100% all over eats any thing you feed it I have around 500 rounds on mine now and never a hiccup .
If your in the $750 price range there are 3 choices to me Springfield armory loaded Ruger Sti Spartan I have all 3 and you cant go wrong with any one of them The springer was the most at $780 The ruger I paid $750 The sti I paid $680 for.. All of them feed jhp's and swc's fine but my favorite is the ruger because it is all metal and has no locking devices like the Springfield armorys have, the sti has a plastic back strap which is going to be changed soon and the finish is soft But It slides like it's on roller bearings and the trigger is the finest of all 3. Ruger has a very nice logo and the gun is just classy for A ruger!!! |
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http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l558/whtsmoke/P1010038.jpg i give the Ruger my vote from what mine has been doing. +1 My ruger will feed any hollow point. |
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The Khyber pass custom shop, I hear they can do amazing things with an SMLE. |
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My PT1911 stainless is accurate. It's also a piece of shit and won't reliably cycle through a magazine of 230 FMJ. The 1911 should have no problems eating 230 FMJ... mine does.
It's got problems with the sear and disconnect. This is because there's a lot of MIM parts inside. It's got a lifetime warranty but takes about 6 weeks to fix a problem... and its been to Taurus twice for the same thing now... and it came back still unreliable. I'm trading it in on a Dan Wesson when I get home from the desert. |
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I've had a S&W, a Taurus, a Springfield Loaded and now a Sig 1911. Here are my thoughts (for what they're worth):
S&W - early "Billboard" gun in stainless, ate absolutely everything including jhps, accurate, reliable, excellent trigger, good fit and finish. A+ gun, should've kept it! Taurus - wouldn't run more than a mag without failing to feed. Accuracy was decent, trigger was OK. Fit and finish was decent. Lack of reliability with fmj or jhps regardless of mag type killed it. Springfield Loaded - ran fine with fmj, choked on most jhps. Fit and finish so-so. Accuracy was good, trigger was so-so. I was very disappointed in this gun. SIG 1911 Nitron - what I have now - accuracy is superb, had one ftf in the first 20 rounds, nothing since. Fit and finish is excellent. Trigger is good, not quite as good as the S&W but this gun is brand new and it should improve with use. If it keeps up this one will be a keeper for sure. |
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I am happy with my S&W, but I think they should be cheaper considering they are chock full of MIM parts. I mean, if MIM saves ~50% on small parts costs, shouldn't we see those savings in the price tags? Mine has functioned 100% so far and so I trust it (400 rounds and coutning), but I have already begun spending money to replace some of the high stress MIM parts, as I intend to use this gun as my hiking/trail gun. I always had great luck with Springfield 1911s, although they also seem to be a bit pricey these days for what is essentially a Brasilian made 1911 that is chock full of MIM parts. In my experience, removing the Internal Lock System makes for a better trigger. Ruger's SR1911 allegedly has no MIM and seems to be priced lower than the comparable Smith and Springfields, but now you are looking at a cast frame instead of forged. The new SIG 1911s really impress me. I had the pleasure of seeing one detail stripped at a local shop and the only MIM parts were the slide stop and the disconnector. The grip safety and thumb safety were cast, and the rest of the gun appeared to be machined from barstock. I was very impressed with the build and parts quality; I will have one in my collection very soon. I can get one for about $870 delivered, and considering all the features it offers (including Novak Night Sights), I think it is a "best buy" in a production-level, upgraded 1911. |
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... Ruger's SR1911 allegedly has no MIM and seems to be priced lower than the comparable Smith and Springfields, but now you are looking at a cast frame instead of forged. ... From what I have read, many of the parts in the Ruger SR1911 are MIM. That said, I love mine. I paid $650 for mine and think It's a great value. If I had to pay full retail ($799) I don't think I would have bought one though; there are some really nice alternative options at that price like the Springfield Armory RO. I have heard a couple of complaints about them, but the vast majority of people that have bought them really like them. This is my first 1911 so I don't have much to compare it with, but it does everything I need and does it very well. |
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Just keep in mind that MIM parts is not the kiss of death. If you are going to have a part break that's MIM it will usually break early in the pistol's life. Some parts don't matter, but even I am uneasy about an MIM slide stop. That would be the first part to replace if it is.
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Ruger's SR1911 allegedly has no MIM and seems to be priced lower than the comparable Smith and Springfields, but now you are looking at a cast frame instead of forged. Que? It's full of MIM. Cast frame (especially from Ruger) bothers me not in the least. |
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My Taurus PT1911AL has been just fine so far...nicely made...the blue (black oxide like) finish is on a par with that from Kimber...finishing is decent...my ambi-safety feels nice than a buddy's brand new TRP (maybe he got a bad one)...shoots to point of aim...lightweight (natch, it's frame is aluminum)...Taurus are forged if that's important...I carry mine and see no issues there either...Taurus can keep costs down as they make everything for their pistols (even the slightly shorter in length Novak's or the earlier Heinie's under license)...for the sale prices some have them at...WELL worth the price of admission...
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Quoted: Que? It's full of MIM. Que desastre. Ruger Rep I spoke with a while back said the internals would be cast, since Ruger is so heavily vested in investment casting. If they are indeed MIM, then I guess they copped out like everyone else!  I'll take a forged frame and no MIM anyday over the alternative, and twice on Sunday. |
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Que? It's full of MIM. Que desastre. Ruger Rep I spoke with a while back said the internals would be cast, since Ruger is so heavily vested in investment casting. If they are indeed MIM, then I guess they copped out like everyone else!
I'll take a forged frame and no MIM anyday over the alternative, and twice on Sunday. I'd take good MIM parts over cast, but maybe that's just me. |
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Que? It's full of MIM. Que desastre. Ruger Rep I spoke with a while back said the internals would be cast, since Ruger is so heavily vested in investment casting. If they are indeed MIM, then I guess they copped out like everyone else!
I'll take a forged frame and no MIM anyday over the alternative, and twice on Sunday. I'd take good MIM parts over cast, but maybe that's just me. good always beats bad... 
Bill |
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I'd take good MIM parts over cast, but maybe that's just me. Man, I need to find folks like you on the EE! I've got lots of good MIM parts that I'd love to trade for some of those pesky Ed Brown cast parts! 
If it's the Ed Brown thumb safeties with the bent shafts, you can keep 'em. 
There are some spots in the 1911 that MIM doesn't make a lot of sense: sears and barrel bushings being the most prominent. In other 1911 parts (grip safety, etc.) it doesn't make a big difference. Here's a post from Joe Chambers where he discusses each part of the SR1911. http://www.1911pro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=335 |
| I have the Taurus in stainless. As far a starter (its my first 1911), I feel it makes for a great pistol. Is it a TRP or Operator? Most definitely not. It is a good weapon for the price point. Mine has yet to have a malfunction in ~ 500 rounds, not a super definitive test but it works for my needs. Ditch the shitty grips and the stupid ambi safety. Check out the Rock Island Tactical model too. |