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6/13/2011 9:37:39 AM EDT
When did angled rear cocking serrations first appear?



I built this pistol and I'm now wondering if I should have used vertical serrations. Could this be a late '60s period pistol?




6/13/2011 9:45:25 AM EDT
[#1]
On 1911 pistols, the first angled serrations I can remember were on the Colt Gold Cup.
6/13/2011 9:48:42 AM EDT
[#2]
here is one from 1963



6/13/2011 9:58:07 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:I built this pistol and I'm now wondering if I should have used vertical serrations. ]

I think your pistol looks great.  Unless you’re trying to make a period correct replica or tribute, then build it the way "You" like it.  IMO, the angled serrations flow better than the straight serrations.  Nice Job!
6/13/2011 2:13:58 PM EDT
[#4]
Kinda. For a Vietnam weapons collection.



I was real careful with everything, and didn't even think about the serrations.
6/13/2011 7:30:12 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:Kinda. For a Vietnam weapons collection.

Obviously the silver frame doesn't exactly echo Vietnam.  But I think the overall aestehtics of the pistol captures your goal of the era and looks absolutely great.

6/14/2011 3:11:24 AM EDT
[#6]
+1 on the frame. I did not start seeing blued slides and nickel or SS frame combinations showing up until the late 80's with the idea being a more resistant carry finish on the frame and a dark/matte black sighting surface on the slide.

Also, the US Govt had purchased 2.7 million 1911s and 1911A1s by the end of WWII and never bought another one after that and instead just arsenal rebuilt 1911A1s as needed using existing slides and frames.  So a true military issue combat 1911A1 would not have angled serrations. The Army Marksmanship Unit started experimenting with a newer national match 1911 and in 1964 did build 800 of them on existing frames using newly manufactured slides from Drake and those slides had angled serrations - but the numbers make those weapons very rare as 1911 go.

Similarly, with low sales volume and the market filled with surplus 1911A1s Colt made no significant changes in civilian 1911s until the series 70 - and that still retained the vertical slide serrations on the standard models although they did appear on the Gold Cup series 70s and 80s.

Colt did introduce the Gold Cup National Match in 1957 and it did have angled slide serrations but someone choosing a gold cup for combat use in Vietnam would have been unusual or even very unlikely. The gold cup of the time was hand fitted and more prone to jamming in very dirty conditions and the Colt-Ellasian sight was high profile and much less durable so the Gold Cup offered no real upside and a couple downsides as a combat arm.



6/14/2011 8:11:57 AM EDT
[#7]


Guns & Ammo Book of the .45 1980



What would a custom 1911 from the '60s look like?
6/14/2011 10:31:59 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:[What would a custom 1911 from the '60s look like?

You never said Custom?  Most responses are pertaining to Vietnam Era; in which I always associate a Vietnam Era 1911 as a combat pistol.  I think if the mood/inspriation has shifted to a Custom 60's era representation, then perhaps your pistol is much closer in capturing that.  Although from the Jeff Cooper pic you posted, you could also add an Arched MSH w/laynyard loop.
6/14/2011 12:51:11 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/seven_sixtwo/GSP/herohandgun.jpg
Guns & Ammo Book of the .45 1980

What would a custom 1911 from the '60s look like?



Here's what a custom 1911 from the 1960's would have looked like:



It wasn't designed for combat shooting but rather precision target shooting as Bulleye competition was what serious handgunners shot.  Practical pistol shooting was in its infantcy in the 60's

By the 80's when your pic was taken IPSC was the combat gun sport of choice and 1911s evolved into the Pachmayr Combat Special you see Ross Seyfried shooting here:





6/14/2011 5:34:27 PM EDT
[#10]
I think your pistol looks great too. My opinion: I always kinda thought the forward leaning serrations make it look meaner than normal vertical serrations.
6/14/2011 8:03:36 PM EDT
[#11]
I already have my VN service pistol.


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6/14/2011 8:11:03 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:[What would a custom 1911 from the '60s look like?

You never said Custom?  Most responses are pertaining to Vietnam Era; in which I always associate a Vietnam Era 1911 as a combat pistol.  I think if the mood/inspriation has shifted to a Custom 60's era representation, then perhaps your pistol is much closer in capturing that.  Although from the Jeff Cooper pic you posted, you could also add an Arched MSH w/laynyard loop.


Charles Askins carried a custom 1911, worked by Frank Pachmayr, in WWII.
6/15/2011 6:55:02 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:I already have my VN service pistol.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/6a35c1e8.jpg
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That combo looks great together, Love it.