Posted: 8/10/2008 4:23:04 PM EDT
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I went to an estate auction and picked up a C-96 broom handle stock for $40 for my wall hanger C-96..... I am wondering If there is any way to Know that it is a repo or an original, are there any marks or writing I should look for. I looked over the repos on Gunbroker and it looks like them except the leather, but I also looked at the originals at Simpsons and other collector sights and it looks like them too. Any way I know I got a good price no matter what I am just wondering since this has no markings. Thanks for your reply. |
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I spent a good chunk of last night looking over pics on ebay, gunbroker, and auction arms. When added with you experiece I think I have a 1930'ish stock made by Mauser, that was refinished. The outside is in great shape clean, and well finished, but the inside is filthy, dark dirty, greasy,oily, and dinged up. I am just wondering if there is any way to tell for sure and I guess not. I am glad you answered this BobCole, I seriously considered Emailing you the question. |
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Thanks inquisitor bob that helped alot. As far as smell the inside where the barrel goes is lined with worn, feathered, leather that looks feels and smells old. Why would a replica have the extra wor of putting leather in the stock? I am almost conviced it is an interwar stock that has been refinished. |
Well, kinds sorta. An experienced Luger/Mauser owner/shooter should be able to spot an original from a repo, IMO. As mentioned above, age has a smell to it that isn't really duped. As an aside, once an original anything is refinished, the value drops considerably. No clue on where this would be on your stock, sorry. |
I will add that approved stocks are ones that are a duplicate of the original stock. An Artillery stock is technically not legal to use on a Navy and vice versa. |
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It's my understanding that stocks that are not original to the pistol are illegal. Not true, sir. 
Repo shoulder stocks are just fine with the folks at BATFE.  I will add that approved stocks are ones that are a duplicate of the original stock. An Artillery stock is technically not legal to use on a Navy and vice versa. And where on earth does it say that? [>:/] |
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It's my understanding that stocks that are not original to the pistol are illegal. Not true, sir.
Repo shoulder stocks are just fine with the folks at BATFE. Really? Got some way of backing that statement up? eta: Thanks for that link, interesting read! |
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It's my understanding that stocks that are not original to the pistol are illegal. Not true, sir.
Repo shoulder stocks are just fine with the folks at BATFE. I will add that approved stocks are ones that are a duplicate of the original stock. An Artillery stock is technically not legal to use on a Navy and vice versa. And where on earth does it say that? [>:/] Actually go read the C & R LIST
DWM Luger, Original models 1904, 1906, 1908, 1914 and 1920. Naval pistols in 9mm parabellum or 7.65mm cal., in both the Commercial and Naval military varieties; in both altered and unaltered barrel lengths in themodel 1904 and in both altered and unaltered safety markings in the model 1906; with original board-type detachable shoulder stocks bearing brass or iron discs, with or without markings, or, if without brass or iron discs, being of the Navy flat board-type. This exemption applies only to the listed Naval Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if theNaval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock has an overall dimension of 12-3/4", a rear width of 4-5/8", a front width of 1-1/2", a rear thickness of 9/16", and a front thickness of l-3/16". |
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I read the link to ATF C&R list and in regards to the C-96:
"Mauser, model 1896 semiautomatic pistol accompanied by original German mfd. Detachable wooden holster/shoulder stocks, all semiautomatic German mfd. variations produced prior to 1940, any caliber." So a reproduction stock would be a NFA item when matched with a C-96? 
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No, a reproduction stock IS allowed IF it is identical to the OEM design.
However, one cannot take a stock & add it to a handgun that never had one in its original design, a 1911 for example. There's also the Old West six guns that are sold with a detachable stock. All are modern made too. |
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No, a reproduction stock IS allowed IF it is identical to the OEM design. However, one cannot take a stock & add it to a handgun that never had one in its original design, a 1911 for example. There's also the Old West six guns that are sold with a detachable stock. All are modern made too. And where do you read that? |
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No, a reproduction stock IS allowed IF it is identical to the OEM design. However, one cannot take a stock & add it to a handgun that never had one in its original design, a 1911 for example. There's also the Old West six guns that are sold with a detachable stock. All are modern made too. The way I read the C&R NFA link, was the stock (at least in the case of the C-96) MUST be German made. There is no mention of reproduction OEM style stocks. The only western six guns I have seen offered with a stock are cap n' ball (a non-firearm) or cartridge revolvers with 16"+ barrels. |
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Try This. http://www.1896mauser.com/ There you will find anything you need to know including ATF letters concerning stocks. |
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Did you get that from the C&R link P08 posted? Oh, goodness no. I had a Broomhandle back when the Chinese imports flooded the US. I wanted a repo shoulder stock/holster & there was one web site selling them. They obviously had had many questions about the legalities of a repo stock, so they posted the BATFE section pertinent to that. This has been 13-14 years ago, but the gist of it was that as long as the repo unit was virtually identical to the OEM unit, then it was good to go. Seems like this same issue also came up on some High Power repo stocks back then too? Obviously there's lots of gray areas regarding C&R firearms, so anyone would be better off doing their homework at the BATFE web site and/or getting a letter from the repo unit mfgr. Seems like the guys I bought mine from were the fellas who have the ads in Shotgun News, IMA/IMI or some such? They sell a lot of mil-surp goodies. I haven't read SGN in years, so I have no clue if they're still selling these stocks now or not. |
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Did you get that from the C&R link P08 posted? Oh, goodness no. I had a Broomhandle back when the Chinese imports flooded the US. I wanted a repo shoulder stock/holster & there was one web site selling them. They obviously had had many questions about the legalities of a repo stock, so they posted the BATFE section pertinent to that. This has been 13-14 years ago, but the gist of it was that as long as the repo unit was virtually identical to the OEM unit, then it was good to go. Seems like this same issue also came up on some High Power repo stocks back then too? Obviously there's lots of gray areas regarding C&R firearms, so anyone would be better off doing their homework at the BATFE web site and/or getting a letter from the repo unit mfgr. Seems like the guys I bought mine from were the fellas who have the ads in Shotgun News, IMA/IMI or some such? They sell a lot of mil-surp goodies. I haven't read SGN in years, so I have no clue if they're still selling these stocks now or not. Ah, I see. I wouldn't mind getting a stock for mine, granted it's legal. |
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What about a stock on a standard 1916 DWM Luger? 4" barrel. What stocks can I put on there? Based on what another poster has in another thread, BATFE only allows a stock on the Naval or Artillery Lugers. Further confusing things, one seemingly cannot put a Naval stock on an Artillery Luger & vice versa, according to his BATFE quote........ 
It seems my confusion came from the Luger frame on my 4" having the stock attachment milled into the handgrip rear. I would assume they used the same frame on all of their Luger models?
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Quoted: Bob, to clarify it a bit more. There were of course Carbine models that did not have a 16" barrel, these are ok. The 1900 AE models were sold here with the Ideal stocks and they are ok as well. It is surmised that the stock lug found on almost all Lugers was used as a holding piece during some of the machining process? No one really knows for sure as far as I know though.Quoted: What about a stock on a standard 1916 DWM Luger? 4" barrel. What stocks can I put on there? Based on what another poster has in another thread, BATFE only allows a stock on the Naval or Artillery Lugers. Further confusing things, one seemingly cannot put a Naval stock on an Artillery Luger & vice versa, according to his BATFE quote........ It seems my confusion came from the Luger frame on my 4" having the stock attachment milled into the handgrip rear. I would assume they used the same frame on all of their Luger models? |
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It is surmised that the stock lug found on almost all Lugers was used as a holding piece during some of the machining process? Seems like I recall reading this now that you mention it. As soon as a time machine is invented, we have GOT to make sure these mfgrs keep better records for later generations! 
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