Posted: 8/2/2004 9:21:18 PM EDT
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I carry ccw daily. My current ccw weapon is comfortable to wear, and easy to carry. The problem is this... beyond 10 yards I cant hit shit with it. At 25 yards you are pretty safe unless I get lucky. With larger model pistols I have NO problems with 25 yards. My question is this... since most CCW gun battles happen at less than 10 yards, to I need to worry about what I can hit at 15-25 yards, or should I consider finding another CCW weapon? PS, my CCW weapon has 24/7 Big Dots... could the sights be more of the problem than the pistol itself? |
Bear, it took alot of practice for me to get an 8" spread at 25 yards out of a 3.5" Glock. I'd say know your limitations and keep practicing.  Do you compete in IDPA? With my stubby Glock I'm not really competitive with the other guys in my classification, but I'm only interested in getting better with what I carry. It's still fun!-YJ |
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Yeah I compete... and I have put close to 1500 rounds thru my G19 in the few months I have had it... I have NO problems grouping my XD-9 at that range, but to set up the xd that means buying night sights, etc... My XD is a 5 inch... I can carry it (lots of guys carry 5 inch 1911s), but would really rather have the 4 inch duty size. I think part of it is the sights... and part is me... my hands just dont seem to be able to get real comfortable on my G19... I LOVE my G19, but maybe its just not a good physical match for me. |
| I carry my M1911 5" govt model concealed in the waistband. It's far slimmer than my P220 as well as more accurate. With 9 rounds of .45acp and excellent hit potential I dont see the need for anything else. Perhaps you need to explore different methods of carrying your preferred piece. You may need to consider a slimmer full sized pistol. I have an XD, P220, Commander, Govt model, and SP101 as possible carry guns. The Govt model shoved in the pants seems to be the gun I grab every time. If you carry holsterless you can get away with a little thicker pistol but I wouldnt feel comfortable with a Glock or the XD in that mode. What is your carry mode preference? |
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Do you dry fire? I balance a nickel on the rear sight and practice my trigger pull. Also my G36 likes hollowpoints better than ball ammo. Go figure, but I can consistantly shoot better with the more expensive ammo. I guess you've tried a variety of ammo? Also your 5" XD is a much flatter shooter than your Glock. Get a big target and aim high to see how much drop you're getting. I don't know I'm just trying to help. -YJ |
I certainly dont lack range time... I am there every weekend weather permitting... and shoot an average of 1200-1500 rounds per month. |
I carry strong side OWB in a leather Galco. IWB is NOT comfortable for me... I have a 48 inch waist and need all the room in my pants I can get. |
I certainly appreciate it... This is not my first Glock... and I had similar problems with my last Glock... I dont think its anything wrong with the weapon. I think its the fact that Glocks just dont fit my hands as much as I would like them to. I love my little G19, but as mentioned earlier I am responsible for every round that departs from the gun so I am faced with making a carry change... I dont want to ruin some nice family's dinner by splattering dad's brains all over the table from a missed shot. 
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| Since you seem to lean towards the DAO type pistols have you considered a Para LDA ? I'm convinced the M1911 series pistols are the easiest to shoot accurately. It's also a very slim pistol and you can make use of many common M1911 accessories while having the DAO pistol. I havent personally shot one but I've fondled them in the gunshops and after I finish my current duty assignment I'll probably replace my P220 with one. Maybe you can rent a few pistols to try out from a local range? |
Yeah I put a post out a month or so ago asking about the LDAs, and many people seemed to agree they were accurate, but not much for reliability. A buddy of mine said if I were to send it back to para immediately that what I would get back would be a very finely tuned pistol. I am kinda wanting to stick with the "glock type" of platform due to that is what I have trained so long with Im afraid in a stressful combat situation muscle memory would instinctively revert back to that type of action. I have also fondled them in the shops... and the trigger is VERY smooth... amazingly easy DAO pull... it truly was feather light. |
www.kahr.com Caliber 9mm (9 x 19) Capacity 7 + 1 Operation Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect Barrel 4.0", polygonal rifling; 1-10 right-hand twist Length O/A 6.5" Height 4.5" Slide Width .90" Weight Pistol 18 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces Grip Textured polymer Sights Rear Novak low profile 2-dot tritium night sight, front tritium night sight Finish Matte stainless steel slide Magazines 1 each: 7 rd standard & 8rd grip extension Warranty Limited Lifetime |
You own one of these? Has it proven itself reliable? |
What's the weight of the trigger pull? I had the impression it was heavier than a glock's. Is the Kahrs trigger better because of less take up, less over travel, or quicker reset or all of the above? I've never held a Kahr so I just don't know. Thanks. -YJ |
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Funny you should mention the Kahr. I just purchased a .40 Kahr in poly myself. I took it to the range and was vastly disappointed. The slide locked open after each round. You could hit the slide release and it would chamber the round and fire. Then the slide would lock open again. I tried 3 diffrent mags and 2 different types of ammo. I am very disappointed. I took it back to Sportsmans warehouse. They would not exchange it or give me my money back. They said that they would send it back to the factory. I was not happy. This was to be my CCW. I want it to function every time. I have no faith in it now. SO, are we to accept a weapon that doesn't function from the start? Sportsmans warehouse did not have a range to try it. If they did and it locked open, I would not have bought the weapon. What recourse do I have? Is it true that they cannot take it back? Can't they trade it for the same thing? Should they be able to give me credit toward another weapon? Is it that they just don't want to do the paperwork? I have purchased a Dessert Eagle 9mm, Rugger model 77 target .308, Benelli pump shotgun in 12 ga. and a Bushy AR-15 from them. I have also used them as an FFL ($25 each) 4 times. I am disappointed in what happened at the counter. Does anyone know if they can or cannot take the weapon back? Thanks |
That sux.  I don't own a Kahr, but I think your problem is not a common one for Kahrs. They have a good reputation. I know it's dissapointing but I think I'd consider sending it to Kahr for warranty repair. At least talk to them and see if they will offer you anything for your trouble. They have as much interest in keeping you happy as the retailer who sold it to you.-YJ |
There is a fix.....it's called a WARRANTY. Kahr has excellant customer service, contact them. |
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shooting that many rounds you shouldn't have any trouble hitting with a g19. put it on sandbags, or a rest. is it accurate? my 1st glock (a 17) was pretty inaccurate. i thought it was just me, until i shot a couple other glocks. you may have an innacurate pistol. btw a guy used to win bowling pin matches down in s. florida with a g27. consistantly. |