Posted: 4/9/2010 6:14:41 AM EDT
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I really like the more "aggressive" angle of the Glock grip, but when I switch back to my Sig or HK, I feel like there is a period where I have to readjust to the different angle each time. Is this an issue for anyone else? I would like to have a glock, but i dont want it to be counterproductive to using my other handguns.
Also, how do the grip angles of the M&P, XD, and others compare? |
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I carry exclusively, and shoot almost exclusively Glock. I've got a few SIGs and Berettas and S&Ws and 1911 and Hi Power. When I shoot the non-Glocks there is a brief re-acclimation period. It seems to take a few draw, point and fire drills to get used to the different grip angle. When I switch back to my main user Glock, everything clicks back to normal immediately. I assume this is due to how much more training and practice I have on the Glock as opposed to the others.
I'm a proponent of focusing on one weapon system for serious use and practice. There's nothing wrong with owning other brands and there are certainly benefits to being capable on many different platforms. But I want the weapon system I'm carrying to be second nature. |
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I really like the more "aggressive" angle of the Glock grip, but when I switch back to my Sig or HK, I feel like there is a period where I have to readjust to the different angle each time. Is this an issue for anyone else? I would like to have a glock, but i dont want it to be counterproductive to using my other handguns. Also, how do the grip angles of the M&P, XD, and others compare? I have to do this as well, but like Hero said, as long as the platform you carry is second nature all is fine. Grip angles of the M&P and XD are pretty traditional. |
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I carry exclusively, and shoot almost exclusively Glock. I've got a few SIGs and Berettas and S&Ws and 1911 and Hi Power. When I shoot the non-Glocks there is a brief re-acclimation period. It seems to take a few draw, point and fire drills to get used to the different grip angle. When I switch back to my main user Glock, everything clicks back to normal immediately. I assume this is due to how much more training and practice I have on the Glock as opposed to the others. I'm a proponent of focusing on one weapon system for serious use and practice. There's nothing wrong with owning other brands and there are certainly benefits to being capable on many different platforms. But I want the weapon system I'm carrying to be second nature. +1 |
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I've always preferred the GLOCK grip angle as it just feels more natural, especially for quick draw and fire and rapid fire shooting.
That being said, a Kahr PM9 is my EDC BUG to my GLOCK and switching back and forth doesn't bother me at all. As long as you shoot both on a regular basis there shouldn't be a problem. I think some people make a much bigger deal about it just to have something to bitch about. |
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so the 1911 grip is even more angled than the Glock? Those that I've handled are more traditional Glock is angled back more than a 1911. I can pick up a 1911, point and it's on target even if I don't look at the sights. I do the same with a Glock, check the sights, and I have to bring the muzzle down. |
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so the 1911 grip is even more angled than the Glock? Those that I've handled are more traditional Glock is angled back more than a 1911. I can pick up a 1911, point and it's on target even if I don't look at the sights. I do the same with a Glock, check the sights, and I have to bring the muzzle down. Yes JD |
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I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. There's a reason for that. You should be focusing on the front sight in a combat/competition situation. The Glock grip angle keeps the front sight above the rear sight when pointed so that you can quickly acquire it. If it were to fall below the rear sights you would have to raise the muzzle to find the front sight, then move it over the target. Even if it falls even with the rear sights you will still have to figure which dot or blade is the front sight. With the Glock it is obvious, the front sight is always the highest. That angle also combats muzzle flip during fast shooting (see the G18), as you are always having to flex your wrist down to point the weapon. |
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I grew up shooting Smiths and 1911s. The Glock does not hit a natural point of aim for me and with better options out there, I have no desire to learn to love one. Same here. When I first got my M&P I tried drawing it and a 1911 eyes closed then opening my eyes and comparing the point of aim. Both had good sight pictures and point of aim was the same on both. For me Glocks point up when I try this. |
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I've never had to shoot while being shot at.
That being said, I cannot shoot a Glock well. I've bought and sold several, always thinking that THIS time I'll make it work. My P7M8 has an uncanny way of hitting where I look, almost like an extension of my mind. My 1911 is the same way. YMMV. I don't think exaggerating the grip angle in anticipation of panic-induced flinching is a great idea. In psychiatry, this is referred to as "infantilization." in other words, you're not good enough to be able to do the right thing, so I'm going to help you. But hey, if you shoot a Glock well, more power to you! |
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I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. There's a reason for that. You should be focusing on the front sight in a combat/competition situation. The Glock grip angle keeps the front sight above the rear sight when pointed so that you can quickly acquire it. If it were to fall below the rear sights you would have to raise the muzzle to find the front sight, then move it over the target. Even if it falls even with the rear sights you will still have to figure which dot or blade is the front sight. With the Glock it is obvious, the front sight is always the highest. I agree. I would rather have the front sight always be high and visible rather than rely on the grip angle to align the sights perfectly and potentially have to hunt for the front sight if it happens to be too low. |
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I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. There's a reason for that. You should be focusing on the front sight in a combat/competition situation. The Glock grip angle keeps the front sight above the rear sight when pointed so that you can quickly acquire it. If it were to fall below the rear sights you would have to raise the muzzle to find the front sight, then move it over the target. Even if it falls even with the rear sights you will still have to figure which dot or blade is the front sight. With the Glock it is obvious, the front sight is always the highest. I agree. I would rather have the front sight always be high and visible rather than rely on the grip angle to align the sights perfectly and potentially have to hunt for the front sight if it happens to be too low. I agree as well. Good post smoke. |
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I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. same here And here. Apparently my hands are exactly like JMB's. Yup. The glock grip angle just isn't natural. Pick up just about any other gun than a glock, close your eyes and point it. Then look to see the POI. Try it with a glock and you always aim high. Hard to believe there are people calling that a feature. |
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I don't mind the grip angle on the Glock. I find my natural point of aim with my eyes closed just as easily as I did on my M&P.
The soft and comfortable backstrap on the M&P is what I like more really helps during long range sessions. It's like it's made out of rubber. I think it is, actually. The Glock grip is hard and the trigger safety digs into the bottom of my trigger finger. But to me, the grip angle makes no difference. I actually like it a bit. Obviously relative to the individual, though. |
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Quoted:The glock grip angle just isn't natural. Pick up just about any other gun than a glock, close your eyes and point it. Then look to see the POI. Try it with a glock and you always aim high. Hard to believe there are people calling that a feature.
I don't have that problem. I can pick up my G17, close my eyes, point it, open my eyes, and have the sights lined up. It all depends on what you are used to. |
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I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. same here And here. Apparently my hands are exactly like JMB's. Yup. The glock grip angle just isn't natural. Pick up just about any other gun than a glock, close your eyes and point it. Then look to see the POI. Try it with a glock and you always aim high. Hard to believe there are people calling that a feature. Yeah, all these crazy people who want less muzzle flip and a more rapidly acquired front sight. I wonder how all these whackjobs with their Glocks have managed to dominate IDPA, ISPC, and USPSA. Guess no one told Dave Sevigny that he should be using whichever gun "points" best. 
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I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. same here And here. Apparently my hands are exactly like JMB's. Yup. The glock grip angle just isn't natural. Pick up just about any other gun than a glock, close your eyes and point it. Then look to see the POI. Try it with a glock and you always aim high. Hard to believe there are people calling that a feature. Thats called muscle memory. |
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I really like the more "aggressive" angle of the Glock grip, but when I switch back to my Sig or HK, I feel like there is a period where I have to readjust to the different angle each time. Is this an issue for anyone else? I would like to have a glock, but i dont want it to be counterproductive to using my other handguns. Also, how do the grip angles of the M&P, XD, and others compare? Stop worrying about grip angle. Your goal should be to shoot any gun you pick up quickly and accurately. Some guns have different sight pictures, different trigger pulls, different grip angles and grip sizes. You need to understand and compensate for each different gun. In the past week I shot a G-19, a Ruger 22/45, a Llama 380 and a M+P 40. All were very different guns but somehow I managed to shoot them all well. Miyamo Musashi said, "In all things have no preferences." That should be your goal. Learn how to master a spriongy Glock trigger, a crisp 1911 trigger, the non-detectable reset of a M+P or a Hi-Power trigger. Some are easier to shoot than others but the only limits are how hard you are willing to work to learn the gun. As long as you use the sights and are willing to learn the gun, GRIP...ANGLE...DOES...NOT...MATTER. Gringop |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. same here And here. Apparently my hands are exactly like JMB's. Yup. The glock grip angle just isn't natural. Pick up just about any other gun than a glock, close your eyes and point it. Then look to see the POI. Try it with a glock and you always aim high. Hard to believe there are people calling that a feature. Yeah, all these crazy people who want less muzzle flip and a more rapidly acquired front sight. I wonder how all these whackjobs with their Glocks have managed to dominate IDPA, ISPC, and USPSA. Guess no one told Dave Sevigny that he should be using whichever gun "points" best. Are you implying that it's the gun that makes those shooters what they are, and not talent, skill, and untold hours of practice? |
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I like the 1911 grip. I always feel like I have to push the mizzle down with the Glock. same here And here. Apparently my hands are exactly like JMB's. Yup. The glock grip angle just isn't natural. Pick up just about any other gun than a glock, close your eyes and point it. Then look to see the POI. Try it with a glock and you always aim high. Hard to believe there are people calling that a feature. Yeah, all these crazy people who want less muzzle flip and a more rapidly acquired front sight. I wonder how all these whackjobs with their Glocks have managed to dominate IDPA, ISPC, and USPSA. Guess no one told Dave Sevigny that he should be using whichever gun "points" best. Are you implying that it's the gun that makes those shooters what they are, and not talent, skill, and untold hours of practice? Equipment matters almost as much as skill when competitors are on the same level. You will not be competitive with equipment that is less capable than your opponents, at that level the skills are so highly developed that thousandths of a second in increased recoil recovery times can make huge differences in results. Anyone who has ever played a sport requiring even the most basic of equipment understands this, your argument fails. |
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Quoted: Equipment matters almost as much as skill when competitors are on the same level. You will not be competitive with equipment that is less capable than your opponents, at that level the skills are so highly developed that thousandths of a second in increased recoil recovery times can make huge differences in results. Anyone who has ever played a sport requiring even the most basic of equipment understands this, your argument fails. Taking your argument to it's logical conclusion, then, all the champions are relatively equal, but only those using Glocks, with their supurior traits, will emerge as the frontrunners, right? |
