Posted: 4/7/2010 7:09:53 PM EDT
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This gun will be used for everything from range, CCW, HD, and USPSA/IDPA. I'll eventually get everything done, but which is more important to have first?
Option 1: - Apex Sear - Apex Striker Block (Comes with sight tool as well to make changing sights easier. I read tutorials online and it doesn't sound impossible.) - 10-8 Rear Sight (So I rack the slide one handed and I don't like 3-dot) Option 2: - Apex Sear - TLR-1 Option 3: - Apex Sear - TLR-1 - Dremel straight edge into rear sight and fill in the dots, then make a new dot much like Heinie sights |
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I don't have any M&P9 knowledge first hand but my rule of thumb for any gun that I may use for HD/CCW is this: LEAVE IT ALONE.
Seriously, sights for CCW and a light for HD is it. If you want a gun to play with and use for range/competition shooting and aren't satisfied with the stock configuration, then buy a second gun. This is my opinion, take it how you wish. |
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Quoted: I don't have any M&P9 knowledge first hand but my rule of thumb for any gun that I may use for HD/CCW is this: LEAVE IT ALONE. Seriously, sights for CCW and a light for HD is it. If you want a gun to play with and use for range/competition shooting and aren't satisfied with the stock configuration, then buy a second gun. This is my opinion, take it how you wish. Um, OK. I'll bite. Why the hell is that? AzNoob, I have an M&P 9 that is my HD/CCW gun, and when I get back into USPSA, will be used for that, too. It does duty at home with the TLR-1 when I'm at home at night, but the Apex Tactical sear kit is probably going to be my next addition. After that, probably the 10-8 rear sight. Another Arfcommer got the Apex kit on his M&P 45, and he said it is not too far off from the average stock 1911 trigger now. That would be pretty nice, I think. Long way of saying, pick option 1. Then get a light as soon as possible afterwards. |
| I have a 9FS and 45FS with the Apex sear installed. It does make a big difference in the trigger. The big thng is if you don't like it, you take it out and you're back where you started from and only out about $30. I personally like the trigger on my full size M&Ps, but haven't decided whether to install the Apex sear on my 9c and 45c. |
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I have the sear in my full size IDPA gun but not in my compact carry gun. Mine had a good trigger before but it is now lighter than I want in a carry gun. I also put a sear in my father's full size. His trigger was worse than mine to begin with so it is much better but still stiffer than mine. I would carry his. All you can do is put one in and see what you think.
In either case, it is an improvement worth more than $30. |
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A lot of people advocate not making any modifications to any self/home defense guns on the basis that it could be used against you in a court of law. I have seen this argument many times but no one has ever been able to point to a court case where that was actually employed against a gun owner. I'm not saying that the argument is completely invalid, I could definitely see where a prosecuting attorney could definitely try to warp the opinion of the jury. However, I don't think that it's a serious concern due to the flimsy nature of that argument. If that were the case, anyone with any aftermarket parts on their cars would be getting extra damages awarded against them in accident cases, etc. The bottom line is improvements made to firearms typically fall into either cosmetic or performance enhancing categories. Anything that enhances performance within the law is going to improve your chances of employing that gun accurately and with as little a margin of error as possible.
Definitely take a look at the argument, it's a view point shared by many, but just as many oppose it. Something to think about. |
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Get the Apex Duty package, it makes a hell of a difference in the trigger. The the TLR1 and the 10-8 sight last. This. I'm the guy who had the Apex duty kit (sear, firing pin block and stronger return spring) installed in my 45f. SGB has shot it. It is like a good 'duty' 1911 trigger...4.5 to 5lb. with no creep and a positive reset. I shot a friend's 9mm Pro today and it feels very much the same except that my trigger is very slightly heavier and has a better reset. I was going to sell this gun because I hated the trigger so much, but thought I'd take the chance because I like the way it fits my hand and its accuracy. It is now a permanent part of my inventory. I will black out the dots for the time being, but I say add the Apex kit first...you won't be sorry. |
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A lot of people advocate not making any modifications to any self/home defense guns on the basis that it could be used against you in a court of law. I have seen this argument many times but no one has ever been able to point to a court case where that was actually employed against a gun owner. I'm not saying that the argument is completely invalid, I could definitely see where a prosecuting attorney could definitely try to warp the opinion of the jury. However, I don't think that it's a serious concern due to the flimsy nature of that argument. If that were the case, anyone with any aftermarket parts on their cars would be getting extra damages awarded against them in accident cases, etc. The bottom line is improvements made to firearms typically fall into either cosmetic or performance enhancing categories. Anything that enhances performance within the law is going to improve your chances of employing that gun accurately and with as little a margin of error as possible. Definitely take a look at the argument, it's a view point shared by many, but just as many oppose it. Something to think about. There may not be much legal grounds, but I think there is something to "this is the way S&W thought it should be, and they have a lot more engineers working for them than I have working for me". For a CCW gun, playing with aftermarket parts that might sacrifice reliability to improve gaming just doesn't make sense to me. Add-ons like lights and lasers aren't a concern, but anything internal is just a bit scarey. I don't think there are many guys who would recommend trigger jobs or "ehnahcned" internals in a SHTF carbine; it always surprises me to see people wanting to do those same mods to pistols that are much more likely to be used to save your life. Then again, where I live the Atterny Generaly's regs say that all DA or DAO triggers need to be at least 10lb for safety, so I may actually have some liability to having a defensive firearm that the AG wouldn't allow sold due to being unsafe. I might go with a Performance Center sear in my M&P9c, manufactured and installed by S&W, but I wouldn't go much beyond that personally. |
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A lot of people advocate not making any modifications to any self/home defense guns on the basis that it could be used against you in a court of law. I have seen this argument many times but no one has ever been able to point to a court case where that was actually employed against a gun owner. I'm not saying that the argument is completely invalid, I could definitely see where a prosecuting attorney could definitely try to warp the opinion of the jury. However, I don't think that it's a serious concern due to the flimsy nature of that argument. If that were the case, anyone with any aftermarket parts on their cars would be getting extra damages awarded against them in accident cases, etc. The bottom line is improvements made to firearms typically fall into either cosmetic or performance enhancing categories. Anything that enhances performance within the law is going to improve your chances of employing that gun accurately and with as little a margin of error as possible. Definitely take a look at the argument, it's a view point shared by many, but just as many oppose it. Something to think about. There may not be much legal grounds, but I think there is something to "this is the way S&W thought it should be, and they have a lot more engineers working for them than I have working for me". For a CCW gun, playing with aftermarket parts that might sacrifice reliability to improve gaming just doesn't make sense to me. Add-ons like lights and lasers aren't a concern, but anything internal is just a bit scarey. I don't think there are many guys who would recommend trigger jobs or "ehnahcned" internals in a SHTF carbine; it always surprises me to see people wanting to do those same mods to pistols that are much more likely to be used to save your life. Then again, where I live the Atterny Generaly's regs say that all DA or DAO triggers need to be at least 10lb for safety, so I may actually have some liability to having a defensive firearm that the AG wouldn't allow sold due to being unsafe. I might go with a Performance Center sear in my M&P9c, manufactured and installed by S&W, but I wouldn't go much beyond that personally. FYI- The apex sear is a machined steel sear replacing the stock MIM sear, which improves reliability and smooths the trigger break for a more accurate shot. If you use your CCW pistol in defense of yourself and it's time to place that finger on the trigger the decision has already been made to shoot so how that trigger breaks is irrelevant. If it's just a reliability issue then fine, but to say that using aftermarket parts designed to enhance the firearm will somehow cause legal ramifications is just silly. Until there is case law to support this then it's just someone injecting their own personal preferences on the public as usual. A 4lb trigger pull vs a 8lb trigger pull might be the difference between hitting an innocent person or the bad guy. |
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If you're not happy with the "light" trigger that the Apex sears result in, go ahead and pick up the duty action kits as that will bring your trigger pull up to about 5.5 pounds.
Or, source an MA spring and bring it up to six pounds. Personally, i install these apex sears in every single one of my M&P's. I dont care about how "light" the trigger is or that its a carry gun. To me, having the best possible trigger so that i can make my shot in ALL instances is the most important thing to consider. There has been no degradation of reliability thus far in well over 2k rounds on my Apex sear equipped guns. |
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How hard is it to install the APEX Duty Action Enhancement kit?
http://apextactical.com/hp_zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=25 |
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How hard is it to install the APEX Duty Action Enhancement kit? http://apextactical.com/hp_zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=25 It's actually pretty easy as long as you take your time and follow the directions. I haven't replaced my springs yet, but just replacing the sear took 5 minutes and was easier than replacing the trigger bar on a Glock. |
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Quoted: How hard is it to install the APEX Duty Action Enhancement kit? http://apextactical.com/hp_zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=25 It's pretty easy. |