Posted: 3/9/2010 6:20:04 PM EDT
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Well Ladies and Gentleman. I feel a little duped. I have always felt a little proud that I usually don't succumb to the hype.
For years I owned only non sexy guns. Traditional and well thought out purchases. I methodically built my collection. Started with 9mm pistol SIG p239. Then Ruger 10/22. Browning gold for clays. And so on and so on. Only got an AR 4 months ago as by buddy talked me into it and out of 308 MIA. I reasoned I never needed one. I have a Ruger mini 14 that after long trial and error found a round it shoots well. Very well. Likewise, no exotic rifle calibers as I have a SIG SHR 970 in 30-06. If you go the 06 you are GTG almost anywhere. I was tricked and cajoled out of my solid reasoning with the purchase a year ago of a Glock 33. I didn't realize at the time that I was falling for hype. I thought I was getting "the equivalent" of a 357 mag. Well, I could be wrong but I feel like maybe I just got a sexier 9mm plus P. My ammo situation with 357 SIG is good. But that is what made me think. It would have been more simple and elegant in the ammo dept to limit myself to the traditional calibers and stock up on more. Oh, well we all fall to the hype I guess. I am not unhappy. I LOVE MY GLOCKS. Wish I had known about them years ago. The 357 SIG? Someone who has experience with 9mm and 357SIG please tell me I wasn't a bonehead and in fact got a better round for carry.  
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I had a Glock 32 for 2 years and loved the gun. I found it accurate, fast, and easy to carry. I sold it 2 years ago because with the exception of .22 I wanted to standardize all of my pistols on 9mm and 45. So out the door went the Glock 32. I accomplished my standardization goal and against my own rules I purchased a Glock 23 in 40S&W a week ago. The recoil is a bit on the snappy side like the 357Sig, but the ammo is cheaper. My only real complaint with the 357Sig was the cost and availability of ammo. At this point I suppose I wish I would have kept the Glock 32 and maybe just kept a smaller supply of ammo on hand.
I'm a big believer in standardization, but also have come to the realization that variety isn't a bad thing either. As far as pistol calibers go I believe a pistol is a very defensive firearm. With premium ammo it seems very difficult to distinguish which round is better than another. I'm to the point of telling people to shoot what you shoot best and don't worry about what the next guy is doing. One option you have is to get a .40 S&W barrel for your Glock as that would give you an option of cheaper and a wider variety of ammo. |
as it's difficult to find locally that isn't outrageously expensive at the gun shops around town.
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From what I've read .357 sig does incredibly well through car bodies... Thats a plus!  6 of 1 half dozen of the other. Small fast bullets do better against sheet metal, slow heavy bullets do better against window glass. Bonded bullet designs do better against both. So it's kind of a wash. |
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From what I've read .357 sig does incredibly well through car bodies... Thats a plus! 6 of 1 half dozen of the other. Small fast bullets do better against sheet metal, slow heavy bullets do better against window glass. Bonded bullet designs do better against both. So it's kind of a wash. I know, I was just trying to make him feel better. 
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| My carry pistols are 9mm, and I have pistols in .40 and .45. All the calibers have their plusses and minuses. I'd be just fine carrying a .357 Sig. I think it's an intriguing caliber. Accurate and flat-shooting, reliable feeding, good barrier penetration, hard-hitting (although this won't necessarily effect any quantifiable terminal ballistics). I wouldn't have a problem using one defensively. |
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From what I've read .357 sig does incredibly well through car bodies... Thats a plus! 6 of 1 half dozen of the other. Small fast bullets do better against sheet metal, slow heavy bullets do better against window glass. Bonded bullet designs do better against both. So it's kind of a wash. I know, I was just trying to make him feel better. Thanks.You did.
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| I carry .357Sig and I shoot .40SW out of my G32 and G27 the same way. Personally I like the .357Sig performance and I like the .40SW affordability. I do not think you got duped because you can get a 40SW barrel or a 9mm conversion barrel and shoot it out of your G32. |
| I haven't researched a whole lot about .357 SIG but personally I think you're better off with 9mm. With +p ammo, the ammo capacity of the 9mm will more than make up for it's ballistic "shortcomings". But .40 is an awesome round in my opinion, and you can switch between the two with barrel changes (and maybe a recoil spring) as others have said. Adding another caliber compatiblity to your arsenal for $150 dollars seems pretty reasonable. |
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Quoted: Well Ladies and Gentleman. I feel a little duped. I have always felt a little proud that I usually don't succumb to the hype. For years I owned only non sexy guns. Traditional and well thought out purchases. I methodically built my collection. Started with 9mm pistol SIG p239. Then Ruger 10/22. Browning gold for clays. And so on and so on. Only got an AR 4 months ago as by buddy talked me into it and out of 308 MIA. I reasoned I never needed one. I have a Ruger mini 14 that after long trial and error found a round it shoots well. Very well. Likewise, no exotic rifle calibers as I have a SIG SHR 970 in 30-06. If you go the 06 you are GTG almost anywhere. I was tricked and cajoled out of my solid reasoning with the purchase a year ago of a Glock 33. I didn't realize at the time that I was falling for hype. I thought I was getting "the equivalent" of a 357 mag. Well, I could be wrong but I feel like maybe I just got a sexier 9mm plus P. My ammo situation with 357 SIG is good. But that is what made me think. It would have been more simple and elegant in the ammo dept to limit myself to the traditional calibers and stock up on more. Oh, well we all fall to the hype I guess. I am not unhappy. I LOVE MY GLOCKS. Wish I had known about them years ago. The 357 SIG? Someone who has experience with 9mm and 357SIG please tell me I wasn't a bonehead and in fact got a better round for carry. Here's what ya do. Get a stock Glock factory .40 barrel (the one for the G27), and now you've got a G27 basically. The .40 should run fine through your .357 mags..........if not, change the followers out for .40 followers, and you're good to go. And then get a Lone Wolf CONVERSION barrel (9mm), and some 9mm mags. Shoot, confirm reliability, you're good to go. /thread. |
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I like the 357SIG. Every agency that adopted it has good things to say as far as I know. TX DPS reports that compared to the 9mm as well as the .45 the adoption of the 357SIG in 1996 has resulted in less rounds fired per stop. This information came to me unofficially via Todd Green.
Shooting things myself, I much prefer the 357SIG over pretty much any other autopistol cartridge. It just messes stuff up. I like it. Anyone who thinks it's a 9mm would also have you believe the 10mm is just a .40, the .45 Super is just a .45 ACP, and so on. Here, this will make you feel better. You are getting equivalent velocity from your G33 sub-compact with the 357SIG than a G17 full-size gets with comparable bullet weights using +P ammunition. All while using standard pressure stuff. WIN!: Here is what I came up with a while back out of my G33.
Glock 33 Speer Gold Dot 125 grain GDHP 1- 1290.3 2- 1281.8 3- 1290.5 4- 1300.8 5- 1285.1 Average-1298.7 ES-19.0 SD7.2 http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=861440&postcount=5 Speer +P, 124GDHP, 61dF
1297 hi 1244 lo 1265 av 53 es 18.73 sd http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12492&SearchTerms=124 From a G17. The red was added by me so it is easier for you to interpret. |
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I like the 357SIG. Every agency that adopted it has good things to say as far as I know. TX DPS reports that compared to the 9mm as well as the .45 the adoption of the 357SIG in 1996 has resulted in less rounds fired per stop. This information came to me unofficially via Todd Green. Shooting things myself, I much prefer the 357SIG over pretty much any other autopistol cartridge. It just messes stuff up. I like it. Anyone who thinks it's a 9mm would also have you believe the 10mm is just a .40, the .45 Super is just a .45 ACP, and so on. Here, this will make you feel better. You are getting equivalent velocity from your G33 sub-compact with the 357SIG than a G17 full-size gets with comparable bullet weights using +P ammunition. All while using standard pressure stuff. WIN! Much ado about nothing. MAP for 357SIG is 40,000psi versus the 9mm's 35,000psi. Even 9mm+P is a lower with a MAP of 38,500psi. The fact that the 357SIG has a higher standard pressure does not make it less abusive to the firearm then 9mm+P. In fact the 357 SIG will stress a firearm more then 9mm when both are loaded to equal pressures because the larger case head cause greater bolt thrust. Any pistol offered in 357SIG will offer a longer service life in 9mm even when used exclusively with 9mm+P cartridges. The Glock 33 seems to post excellent velocities compared to factory listings for each load. Also the Glock models in 357SIG, I have shot seem to be more consistently accurate then equivalent models in 40SW. I assume this is a trait of the cartridge, as I would be surprised to learn Glock paid any more or different attention to one or the other. |
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I like the 357SIG. Every agency that adopted it has good things to say as far as I know. TX DPS reports that compared to the 9mm as well as the .45 the adoption of the 357SIG in 1996 has resulted in less rounds fired per stop. This information came to me unofficially via Todd Green. Shooting things myself, I much prefer the 357SIG over pretty much any other autopistol cartridge. It just messes stuff up. I like it. Anyone who thinks it's a 9mm would also have you believe the 10mm is just a .40, the .45 Super is just a .45 ACP, and so on. Here, this will make you feel better. You are getting equivalent velocity from your G33 sub-compact with the 357SIG than a G17 full-size gets with comparable bullet weights using +P ammunition. All while using standard pressure stuff. WIN! Much ado about nothing. MAP for 357SIG is 40,000psi versus the 9mm's 35,000psi. Even 9mm+P is a lower with a MAP of 38,500psi. The fact that the 357SIG has a higher standard pressure does not make it less abusive to the firearm then 9mm+P. In fact the 357 SIG will stress a firearm more then 9mm when both are loaded to equal pressures because the larger case head cause greater bolt thrust. Any pistol offered in 357SIG will offer a longer service life in 9mm even when used exclusively with 9mm+P cartridges. The Glock 33 seems to post excellent velocities compared to factory listings for each load. Also the Glock models in 357SIG, I have shot seem to be more consistently accurate then equivalent models in 40SW. I assume this is a trait of the cartridge, as I would be surprised to learn Glock paid any more or different attention to one or the other. The point is, I compared standard pressure to non +P. If you get Corbon or Double Tap to load that 357SIG, they have a little more room to play than with the 9mm when compared to other loadings because the manufacturers have already taken most of the advantage with the +P stuff. Weapon longevity isn't the issue. The 357SIG can launch a 125gr round at 1450+fps from a 4.4" barrel quite safely. THe Ranger T +P+ is about done at around 1300fps in 127gr from the 9mm. That is about the hottest 12Xgr 9mm round you will find. |
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357 SiG is an impressive round...I prefer it to .40 S&W...many of the 357 SiG rounds were designed as such and not just a 9MM bullet placed upon that bottleneck case...be happy with what you have and get the .40 S&W barrel if you want...in the small GLOCK I found the .40 S&W to be a bit softer shooting than the 357 SiG...(my only GLOCK experience with these rounds from the same platform) but preferred the 357 SiG in a Sig P226 to the .40 S&W in that platform...
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Well Ladies and Gentleman. I feel a little duped. I have always felt a little proud that I usually don't succumb to the hype. For years I owned only non sexy guns. Traditional and well thought out purchases. I methodically built my collection. Started with 9mm pistol SIG p239. Then Ruger 10/22. Browning gold for clays. And so on and so on. Only got an AR 4 months ago as by buddy talked me into it and out of 308 MIA. I reasoned I never needed one. I have a Ruger mini 14 that after long trial and error found a round it shoots well. Very well. Likewise, no exotic rifle calibers as I have a SIG SHR 970 in 30-06. If you go the 06 you are GTG almost anywhere. I was tricked and cajoled out of my solid reasoning with the purchase a year ago of a Glock 33. I didn't realize at the time that I was falling for hype. I thought I was getting "the equivalent" of a 357 mag. Well, I could be wrong but I feel like maybe I just got a sexier 9mm plus P. My ammo situation with 357 SIG is good. But that is what made me think. It would have been more simple and elegant in the ammo dept to limit myself to the traditional calibers and stock up on more. Oh, well we all fall to the hype I guess. I am not unhappy. I LOVE MY GLOCKS. Wish I had known about them years ago. The 357 SIG? Someone who has experience with 9mm and 357SIG please tell me I wasn't a bonehead and in fact got a better round for carry. I don't think it was boneheaded at all. Its a good round. More of a 9mm +P+, but built on .40 pistol frame. Very fun too, I had a P226R that got lots of looks when you touched a round off! |