Posted: 12/27/2009 11:01:44 PM EDT
| Everybody knows the Glock is the most reliable autoloader. What other pistol matches the Glock in reliability or comes second place to it? |
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Quoted: Everybody knows the Glock is the most reliable autoloader. What other pistol matches the Glock in reliability or comes second place to it?   ................... propaganda at it's finest. Everyone knows that Glocks blow up ........... and that too is untrue.  ......... most of the time. IBTSSW  |
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Everybody knows the Glock is the most reliable autoloader. What other pistol matches the Glock in reliability or comes second place to it? ................... propaganda at it's finest. Everyone knows that Glocks blow up ........... and that too is untrue. ......... most of the time.
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Supposedly, the KB's primarily happen with reloaded ammo. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everybody knows the Glock is the most reliable autoloader. What other pistol matches the Glock in reliability or comes second place to it? ................... propaganda at it's finest. Everyone knows that Glocks blow up ........... and that too is untrue. ......... most of the time. IBTSSW Supposedly, the KB's primarily happen with reloaded ammo. Only if you overcharge your cases. It's recommended to use aftermarket barrel for reloading a Glock 22 though since it gives the most case support. Sig has great reliability that will match a Glock, so does an HK USP. 1911, maybe, but you will have to have it customized. Everything else I really don't know about. |
| From what I've heard the Beretta 92FS is the most reliable semi-auto pistol. But of course everyone has their own opinions. There are many quality big name semi-auto pistol manufactures, and they all seem to work very well. Get a quality piece that fits you and you'll be happy. |
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I have a P7M8 that has just over 5000 rnds through it. My very 1st shot, my off-hand thumb must have rode the mag release because it dropped out about an 1/8".
Failure-to-feed. Somewhere around 500-600 rounds, I was involved in a class and could not clean the pistol for upwards of 200 rounds. I was using reloads and had one "stovepipe" partially ejected round. Shooting any type of ammo, those are the only 2 "malfunctions" that weapon has ever had. Stay safe |
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Never had a problem with any of the XD series in 9mm, 40cal, and 45cal. I find them, and so do many others, to not only be ergonomically superior to the GLOCK, but just as if not more reliable and resilient. True, some will say that parts are hard to get, but many places that specialize in customizing XDs have rectified that and you can order many parts from Brownells. In my humble opinion, there is not a better full size polymer gun than the XDm, but I have yet to shoot a SP01? the polymer CZ. The CZ series also has exceptional reliability as well as Sigs, HK seems to be good but is not really worth it to me personally when weighed against other arms that do the same at a lower price point, and I have heard and seen varying results with the M&P series.
Like one of the others said, most of them are pretty good, do some research and see what feels best to ya in the end. Daniel |
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We had lots of problems with our M9's in Iraq and Afghan they get sand in them and they will stop running reliably. They are good pistols but they are made to close of tolerances. If you oiled them up really good that would make things even worse. I would have killed for a Glock 17 over the M9. But luckily I had a 1911 the M9 did have a lot more capacity so depends on what you like and trust. If you maintain the Beretta it would run like a champ all day same with the 1911.
The Glock is a very reliable platform and I am sure almost all the polymer frame pistols are also I will not put down Sig/HK/SW/SA for theirs but the exposed hammer on some is a point of failure I never liked. One thing I believe that helps in the Glock reliability is the openness of the design kind of taking an AK-47 approach which helps it be reliable. But by no means is the Glock truly perfect nor is their a perfect pistol out their (except the 1911 ) that does not have somewhere it can fail.
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We had lots of problems with our M9's in Iraq and Afghan they get sand in them and they will stop running reliably. They are good pistols but they are made to close of tolerances. If you oiled them up really good that would make things even worse. I would have killed for a Glock 17 over the M9. But luckily I had a 1911 the M9 did have a lot more capacity so depends on what you like and trust. If you maintain the Beretta it would run like a champ all day same with the 1911. The Glock is a very reliable platform and I am sure almost all the polymer frame pistols are also I will not put down Sig/HK/SW/SA for theirs but the exposed hammer on some is a point of failure I never liked. One thing I believe that helps in the Glock reliability is the openness of the design kind of taking an AK-47 approach which helps it be reliable. But by no means is the Glock truly perfect nor is their a perfect pistol out their (except the 1911 ) that does not have somewhere it can fail.
My .02 Did you have thoose issues with the Checkmate mags the US gov went over to around 96. Or factory Beretta mags? I ask because when I was in we used Beretta mags for some time and then started getting the Checkmates in. The Beretta mags always worked great the checkmate mags waere crap. |
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Beat me to it. Glock, Beretta, Sig, S&W, H&K, etc all make good pistols, but show me a handgun with 80+ years of continuous service. I've also never seen a USGI 1911 KB.
Oh yea, edited to add that the autoloader with the second longest streak of active military service is the M1935, also known as the BHP. Match that you polymer punks! Quoted:
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Supposedly, the KB's primarily happen with reloaded ammo. Fixed it. 
For reliability, a true mil-spec government 1911. It might rattle like a tin can full of gravel, but it will keep right on ticking. |
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Supposedly, the KB's primarily happen with reloaded ammo. Fixed it.
For reliability, a true mil-spec government 1911. It might rattle like a tin can full of gravel, but it will keep right on ticking. I don't think a 1911 holds anything over newer pistols in reliability. A Glock can be almost neglected and still fire. |
| I shoot a lot and have for 35 years or so. A Glock or H&K USP are the most reliable with any ammo any time. A properly throated 1911 with the correct recoil spring is pretty much 100 percent too, but for out of the box, go bang with every pull of the trigger, these two win. I was a competitive shooter, mostly bowling pins, etc and hated Glocks at first, the more I shoot them the more I like them. My regular carry gun is a Mod 30 .45. |
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Where do people get the idea that a 1911 has to be customized to be reliable? I've owned a 4 colts, a Taurus and a Star knockoff, and none of them ever choked on anything, and I shoot a lot. All were dead nuts reliable out of the box. Consider how many companies are making 1911s. Not all of them are made equal. I'd expect a Colt to run without incident. I have a Rock Island that I had to tune to get running reliably. I wasn't unhappy about that for two reasons. 1) For the price, I didn't expect perfection and 2) I'm getting it customized anyway, so any issues are going to be resolved while it's tore down getting souped up. |
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Both my M&Ps have been 100% with a combined count of over 5500 rounds; regardless of what "everybody knows" you can't beat 100% reliability.
When Glocks have issues, and like any mechanical device, they do; "everybody knows" that it's the shooter's fault, never the pistol's.
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There is a Leonard Cohen song: 'Everybody Knows'. It comes to mind on these threads.
There may be good empirical data and good definitions substantiating 'reliability' in handgun design. Probably associated with some huge federal/state/local handgun purchase. If someone has access, please share. Without that, we only have feedback from our forum which is mixed. I thought the information on M92's from Iraq was useful. I also find 'mine has worked fine for x000 rounds' interesting. But I have a hard time applying this information to my purchasing decisions. You kind of have to take in the trend rather than specific cases which makes it all a fuzzy impression. Based on that if I had to choose 'most reliable' I would have to pick the Browning High Power Mark III. Of course, it also, depends on what you mean by reliability and whether you want to limit this to semi's. A Thomson Contender is pretty reliable after all. |
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Every 1911 that is tuned right will be reliable. The things I see most about 1911 not running right is due to crap ammo, cheap mags, and tight extractors. I love my 1911, but the fact that THIS AWESOME RESOURCE exists is not an endorsement of the average current production 1911 clone 
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Beat me to it. Glock, Beretta, Sig, S&W, H&K, etc all make good pistols, but show me a handgun with 80+ years of continuous service. I've also never seen a USGI 1911 KB. Oh yea, edited to add that the autoloader with the second longest streak of active military service is the M1935, also known as the BHP. Match that you polymer punks! Quoted:
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Supposedly, the KB's primarily happen with reloaded ammo. Fixed it.
For reliability, a true mil-spec government 1911. It might rattle like a tin can full of gravel, but it will keep right on ticking. So Glock hasn't been around for 100 years like the 1911 has - I think that 100 years from now the Glock pistol will be the 1911 of future generations. |