Posted: 9/19/2009 7:18:04 PM EDT
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My first pistol was an EAA witness. I shot it a lot, and just got used to cocking it and sweeping the safety. Basically every shot is a SA shot. I have since purchased a 226, (no safety) same deal. I read a lot of posts claiming that the consistent trigger pull makes the Glock, XD, DAK, DAO better.
Am I the only one who thinks that pulling a hammer back is not a big deal? Does anyone else primarily use a DA/SA in the SA mode? My triggers are very consistent. Consistently smooth and SA. |
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So you carry with it in DA safety on and draw it, then take it off safety then cock it or cock it and then take it off safety??? In a self-defense situation cocking it back takes too much time instead of just pulling the trigger.
I carry my HK in DA safety on. When I draw the safety is off way before I'm aiming at a target. When TSHTF, or when during IDPA competitons  , I DO NOT notice the DA pull at all.
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In my opinion, if you use this weapon for self-defense, you want to be able to present the weapon to the target and fire if necessary. I want no part of dealing with the "cock the hammer" deal on presentation. Under stress you will screw it up. And why add something else into the mix anyway while you're drawing.
You should consider some handgun training. It's great experience and with practice, will make you better prepared to win a gunfight should you need to. I've trained at TDI twice and once more with one of their instructors privately. There is no way they'd let you draw and cock your hammer on your P226. They'd tell you to learn to use the gun as it was designed or get something different. I agree. Now, with all that said, the P226 is a great gun. There are obvious benefits to consistent trigger pull, however I own many DA/SA guns and have run my training drills with some of them, Beretta 92fs and SIG P228 to be exact. I do not find the first DA trigger pull to be nearly the problem that some other shooters do. You must practice it and you must practice the transition from the DA to the SA trigger. I found that it worked quite well for me So, if you like your P226 I don't think there's any reason for you to get rid of it for a Glock (I carry this), XD, M&P, etc. But you do need to use it as a DA/SA as it's designed, and I recommend that you sign up for some serious defensive pistol training. 
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I DO NOT notice the DA pull at all. This is what I noticed when running my drills with my DA/SA pistols. When the timer goes off and I'm drawing and shooting for hits and speed, when it's all over I don't remember ever feeling that first DA pull. I'd have no problems carrying a DA/SA if that's what I choose. |
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I'm definitely not up for cocking a hammer in a self defense situation. It's not hollywood. Those seconds count. And you could miss the hammer. People miss safeties, so missing the hammer seems even more likely.
I just sold my M&P 9 with thumb safety, and got one without any safety. I did it mostly for concealment purposes, but it is also one less thing to worry about in a high-pressure situation. |
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I prefer DA/SA
DA is a safety in my mind, that still lets you pull the trigger if someone is so close they're a danger, and aiming doesn't matter, but if you have 1/2 second, you can cock the hammer and already have the SA advantage over striker fired guns. SA is the real payoff. Much crisper, lighter trigger pull compared to stock striker fired guns. This allows far greater accuracy with your remaining 12-16 rounds. To each his own, though. I own both. |
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In my opinion, if you use this weapon for self-defense, you want to be able to present the weapon to the target and fire if necessary. I want no part of dealing with the "cock the hammer" deal on presentation. Under stress you will screw it up. And why add something else into the mix anyway while you're drawing. You should consider some handgun training. It's great experience and with practice, will make you better prepared to win a gunfight should you need to. I've trained at TDI twice and once more with one of their instructors privately. There is no way they'd let you draw and cock your hammer on your P226. They'd tell you to learn to use the gun as it was designed or get something different. I agree. Now, with all that said, the P226 is a great gun. There are obvious benefits to consistent trigger pull, however I own many DA/SA guns and have run my training drills with some of them, Beretta 92fs and SIG P228 to be exact. I do not find the first DA trigger pull to be nearly the problem that some other shooters do. You must practice it and you must practice the transition from the DA to the SA trigger. I found that it worked quite well for me So, if you like your P226 I don't think there's any reason for you to get rid of it for a Glock (I carry this), XD, M&P, etc. But you do need to use it as a DA/SA as it's designed, and I recommend that you sign up for some serious defensive pistol training. ^^^^ |
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OP,are you saying you carry your Sig cocked,with no safety? I don't carry. Maybe that is why my question seems odd. The paper man, at the range, hasn't got the drop on me yet while I cocked the hammer. I hope you don't take my posts as me "jumping all over" you. My intentions are not bad. But, when/if the time comes that you need to use your pistol for self-defense, you will fight the way you've trained. Even if that training is just low stress standing around at the range. When the SHTF, you will very likely do all those same things in the fight that you do at the range. I still advocate that you are better served during your range time by using the pistol as it was designed. Get some experience on the first DA trigger pull; it's not so bad. |
| For a lot of people the switch from DA to SA from the first shot to the second really throws them off. It is easier to have a pistol that has a consistent trigger pull like DAO or SAO since you are used to training with just one type of trigger pull. Not that DA/SA pistols are bad, you just need to make sure you train with both trigger pulls. Maybe even do drills where you shoot two shots quickly, first in DA and second in SA. But yeah if you ever have to use your pistol for protection then you won't be cocking back the hammer, you will just be scrambling to pull the trigger as fast as you can. |
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My first pistol was an EAA witness. I shot it a lot, and just got used to cocking it and sweeping the safety. Basically every shot is a SA shot. I have since purchased a 226, (no safety) same deal. I read a lot of posts claiming that the consistent trigger pull makes the Glock, XD, DAK, DAO better. Am I the only one who thinks that pulling a hammer back is not a big deal? Does anyone else primarily use a DA/SA in the SA mode? My triggers are very consistent. Consistently smooth and SA. If you're training yourself to manually cock the weapon you're doing it wrong. |
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I love my USP V1. It resides on my nightstand chambered with a light on it. It sits there DA with the safety on, and I don't have to worry about it going off whether it gets knocked off the nightstand, or I try to smack the alarm clock and bump the trigger on the way. However, upon grabbing it it is as ready to go as any other. |