Posted: 10/4/2008 11:28:03 AM EDT
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My internal 40 S&W debate Argument for: Hmmm…. I don’t have anything in 40 S&W. Argument against: Do I really need another caliber? I am looking at either a Glock 22 or a SIG Discuss |
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It's a good caliber. You'll find a storm of differing opinions, of course. The old "caliber war" crap.................. I like .40, seems ideal. Like a .45ACP in a 9mm package. Flame on dudes!  That said I also like 9mm, and .45ACP. I'm happy with any of 'em, and I'm kind of big on "caliber consolidation", so ya might consider that, if you don't currently have a .40. Great caliber, but truth is, if you've got one of those other 2, they do the job just fine (especially 9mm--capacity!). If ya go with a .40, I highly recommend the Glock. My G23 is great, and has been flawless for the last 6,500 rnds. ETA: Heidi-ho, neighbor!  If you pick that G22, you won't go wrong. |
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Personally, I wouldn't buy any gun in 40 Smithy unless the frame was actually designed for it. That automatically rules out Glock, XD, the M&P, and some others. That leaves HK and Sig. The reason I say that is for two reasons. For one, if it is actually made for the 40, it will handle the 40 well. A lot of XD 40s have locking block cracking issues, most likely because they weren't supposed to have the pressure of the 40 round. But that's a problem that gets solved with design revisions. What I really hate about 9mm sized 40s is that it neuters your mag capacity. For example, my brother's XD only holds 12+1 rounds of 40. A stock USP holds 13+1 and is shorter than the XD. With a Jet Funnel mag, the USP holds 16+1 rounds of 40 and if I remember correctly is only a shade taller. So I would stick with Sig and HK. If you are looking at Sig specifically and not HK, then Sig would be the answer I give you. |
These may be your opinions, but Glock is a perfectly viable choice for .40. Just sayin'................ 
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I must admit I don't have a Glock to take the dimensions off of. But the Glock website says 5.43" for height, and that's about the same height as the USP with Jet Funnel, which is the 16+1 capacity for 40. So I'm happy to say I stand corrected. At least on the Glock, I guess that grip angle really helps in that department. The XD is 5.5" tall and holds 12+1, and incorrectly I figured the Glock was the same. As far as issues with the guns, it's just a rule of mine. And as you should have read in the above post, it's not a problem after the gun has been out awhile and gets the typical design revisions like the XD had. I just wouldn't be a guinea pig on a newer firearm design chambered for 40 built on a 9mm frame. |
Absolutely, not with new stuff. I'm that way too, about alot of things. Cars included. Wait for the "bugs" to get worked out, design improvements, etc. That said, the Glock .40 platforms have been out for years. The G23 and G22 have undergone these types of design improvements, such as strengthening of the frame rails, and the addition of the Locking Block Pin, to name a couple. They are now very tried and proven. Because of this, while an old used Glock in 9mm is an awesome buy, I probably wouldn't go for an older .40 Glock made prior to the "improvements". But the 3rd Gen ones definitely kick ass. |
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The M&P was first designed as a .40 along with the full size H&K USP and Sig P-229. The Glock 22/23 third generation guns are probably one of the most trouble free .40's on the market. |
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Sig Sauer .40 caliber handguns have a capacity of 12+1, which is strange that you would fault the XD for this and then reccomend the Sig..... The new XDM looks very appealing, especially in terms of accuracy/size/capacity. That being said, the G22 and G23 are the most proven .40 S&W platforms in existance. They are the standard to which all other service pistols are compared. You need to decide DA/SA or "constant action"/DAO. That will greatly simplify your decision. I have/have had a Sig P226, P229, SP2022, M&P40, USPf, USPc, Beretta M96FS, Beretta PX4, FNP40 SAO, G22, G22C, G23, G23C, P99, S&W 4006 and others I can't rember right now. All of these were in .40 S&W. Of all of these guns, the Sig Sauer SP2022 was my favorite DA/SA gun. Sadly, this was the "last" Sig Sauer handgun I purchased. Had it been the first, I would have never purchased a P226 or P229. This is probably one of the most underated defensive handguns out there. Despite the fact that it happens to be one of the most popular military handguns in existance and also Sig Sauers best selling military product. Even though its well thought of, because it has a polymer frame and costs less than 1k people here scoff at it. Their loss....If I hadn't decided to standardize on 9x19, I'd have never sold this gun.... As much as I loved my Sig SP2022, I would take a late-3rd gen G22/G23 over it any day of the week. |
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My first hand gun was a .40 P226 by Sig. It is a really nice gun to shoot it has a little bit of weight to it so it dosent kick as much. I also have a M&P 40 full size, I carry it. both are good guns and fun to shoot. I have never liked Glocks so I can's tell you any thing about them. Get a Sig and don;t look back. MAHA |
I don't like the Sig for capacity. But it was actually designed for the 40.
Dammit, that's two things I learned this weekend! I'm going to go crawl under my bed. Apologies. |
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If you want a G22 then get one. No need to debate it. I have a 23, most likely wont get a G22, but who knows. I think the best deal going is www.summitgunbroker.com/1991991.html Hard to beat a NIB G22 w/ Trij and 3 mags for $479. I just picked up a used Sig 229R w/ NS & 3 mags for about the same cash. FB |
If you have a 9mm and a .45, IMO, no you don't need a .40/357sig or to add another expensive handgun caliber to the list. |
I beg to differ. I believe the M-P was designed as a .40. Good ergos make it the softest shooting .40 I've tried. My opinion , thanks. smitret |
I am perfectly happy with my Glock 22 for duty. The sig and h&k are top notch guns, and I would never take anything away from them, the sig 226,229,2022 etc feels very nice, You make a big deal that your hk holds 1 more round than the sig. My glock holds 2 more rounds than your hk with factory mags, and if I really wanted to I could put a +2 on it for 17+1, I wouldnt though because addons like that are not 100% factory reliable. whats 16 rds of .40 vs 18rds 9mm out of a glock 17.. Its not much differenece at all. My glock has functioned perfectly in all of about 6000 rounds or so fired through it. As for being designed for a caliber all 40s are really a 9mm designed for the .40 round, That was why it was made. More power in a 9mm size handgun. THe sig 226, 229 sig pro etc are available in 9mm at the same size as the .40, same with hk. Sig, HK, Glock are all viable picks to go with. I would recomend any of them. I carry a glock for duty. No frills gun. As far as less capacity, when you have to fire your gun more than 16 times I dont think the extra 2 are really going to add any benifit to the current situation. thats what extra mags are for if its that bad. 
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start saving. you will always want the sig
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I'd say go with a Sig P229R! After shooting them for 5 years on duty I just got my own! Love it! Mind you, mine has a bit of a longer barrel than you can get in the U.S. due to Canadian firearms laws. I find this gun in .40 is a pleasure to shoot. It's a bit heavier so it absorbs a lot of the kick for me. Everything boils down to personal preference once its in your hand. For me personally, the .40 is a nice balance. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2917950038_a2cf18365b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/2917954402_4cdecfaa39.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2917124759_c871c93a62.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3068/2917137329_29f0e0a758.jpg |
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i say you dont need another caliber . i like to have 2 guns for each caliber and i like to try to have mag interchange ability when possible. that way in a SHTF situation i have the same firepower with less mass to lug around i stick with 9mm and 45 . but now im thinking i need a 40 too grrrr this arcom gets me every time |
I am not a expert. If I was going to buy a a pistol chambered for 40 SW I would buy either a Glock 22/23 or a SIG P229 or P226. The Glock 23 & SIG P229 or more concealable than the Glock 22 & SIG P226 but they can be carried that way also. Glock 22/23's in third or second generation have a overall great track record with many police departments through North America. The SIG P229 and P226 are very nice and excellent pistols also and can be bought with nickel factory slides and controls parts which have a very nice contrast. Glocks of course are lighter and hold more rounds in factory mags than do SIG P229 or P226's but in the end its shot placement that counts. My two shekels. |
Nice pics! Especially the USPc pic... it makes me what to go buy another USP!
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I don't need a light on mine. Did you try the 11-coil extra power spring? This usually cures the problem...............just sayin'
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I carried a USP .40C for a long time. I actually regret getting rid of that gun. It was very accurate, easy to carry, and the recoil was manageable. I've been sorely tempted to replace it with an H&K P30. |