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5/24/2008 5:45:43 PM EDT
I al refering to the Holster made by Galco.

Do any of you guys use this? I am thinking about getting one to carry my G22 and my G23 in.

Do any of the people that frequent here own one? have you owned one in the past? do you like it or not like it?

I dont want to hear from people that dont like the idea or the holster, If you havenot owned one, or even used one, please dont say anything like I dont like it or It looks uncomfortable. It isnt helping me if you have never tried it on and or used one.



5/24/2008 6:55:34 PM EDT
[#1]
I have a Desantis model SOB for my Glock 36.  It's very comfortable if you're not sitting on a chair with a hard back.  I actually like SOB carry as I find it conceals better other OWB types.  My only problem with some of the SOB holsters is retention.  Personally, I prefer to have a thumb break.  There are some other holsters with a thumb break that you can just as easily wear SOB, they just aren't canted as much.

Oh, and IN BEFORE all the people who will be around shortly to tell you about all the dangers of falling back and landing directly on your SOB which will cause irreperable damage to your spine blah blah blah.  I can't remember ever falling back and landed squarely on my spine.  If falling back, i would tend to fall more to one side or the other even if I wasn't carrying a gun.
5/24/2008 7:09:44 PM EDT
[#2]
You'll love it, if you never have to sit down.
5/24/2008 7:26:35 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
You'll love it, if you never have to sit down.


Yep. Small of back is pretty uncomfortable if you have to sit, and it tends to print more when sitting.
5/24/2008 7:33:20 PM EDT
[#4]
If you have very pronounced back extension (strong low back arch), you can hide IWB SOB fairly well, sitting or standing.  Friend of mine SOB'd his fullsize USP for a long time, and he's 5'6" ~150.
5/24/2008 10:12:41 PM EDT
[#5]
I've used them.  Several problems.  First, they're horribly uncomfortable when sitting.  Second, when you bend foward your cover garment will ride above it and when you straighten up it will hang above it.   So you have to readjust your cover garment every time you bend over.  Third, this makes it very easy and very tempting for someone behind you to take, or attempt to take, your gun.  Fourth, if you're flat on your back with someone on top of you you're going to have a heck of a bad time getting your gun out.  Last but not least, if you fall on your back you're likely to do serious damage to your spine.  And that's not a fantasy, I know personally one guy who hurt his back falling on his gun and have heard credible stories from several more
5/25/2008 10:01:54 PM EDT
[#6]
Well, it looks like I need to go pick one up now. I want to try one out. I got to try one for a snub revolver a few years back but only got to borrow it for about 2 hrs while I was working at a register at a gun shop, I never really got to try it out. just kinda wore it.
5/26/2008 11:27:44 AM EDT
[#7]
What sort of draw-times are you guys getting with these holsters? Like - how long to draw from concealment to first shot & COM hit consistently?
5/26/2008 11:33:10 AM EDT
[#8]
You'll paralyze yourself if you ever fall on it!!

Sorry.... I wanted to be that guy for once.
5/27/2008 3:36:03 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
If you have very pronounced back extension (strong low back arch), you can hide IWB SOB fairly well, sitting or standing.  Friend of mine SOB'd his fullsize USP for a long time, and he's 5'6" ~150.


I believe you will be very unhappy with any OWB SOB.  You need to try IWB SOB if you are going to do it.  I use the Crossbreeds IWB SOB for a ful size 1911 and a Kahr.
5/28/2008 8:44:02 PM EDT
[#10]

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What sort of draw-times are you guys getting with these holsters? Like - how long to draw from concealment to first shot & COM hit consistently?


.87 seconds from draw to COM hit consistently
5/29/2008 5:09:06 AM EDT
[#11]
Sorry to invade this thread and it's intents, but niceguymr, I was up north walking on a dirt (ice) road a few years ago with my P220 in my SOB holster and I slipped on the ice and fell flat on my back.  I did no irrepairable damage or anything, but DAMN that hurt!!!  I was sore all week long.  Didn't stop me from hunting like a mad man and killing a buck, but it hurt bad.  Now, I DO still carry SOB at times depending on the concealed setup I wish to run.  Only thing I do not like about SOB is when you lean over the butt of the gun sticks out and sometimes your shirt will drop into the gap.  Oh yeh, and the whole sitting in a hard chair thing, and having the butt dig into your back when you are driving, etc.  

That looks like a nice holster though!  You will find that you will have about a dozen holsters for each gun you own because none of them work ALL the time for ALL situations of dress.  
5/29/2008 7:45:49 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What sort of draw-times are you guys getting with these holsters? Like - how long to draw from concealment to first shot & COM hit consistently?


.87 seconds from draw to COM hit consistently


Can you post a video of you starting from hands relaxed at sides, clearing your cover garment, drawing from an SOB holster and hitting the A zone of a IPSC target at 10 yards in .87 seconds consistantly? Without sweeping any part of your body? Because if you can, you need to be making lots of $$$ teaching the top competition shooters in the country how to get those times from a strong side race holster. Hell, I would pay you 50 bucks just to see it done live.

Not that I doubt what someone says on the internet but in 11 years of concealed carry and competition, I have never seen a sub 1 second draw from concealment that consistantly hit a 10 yard target.

Gringop
5/29/2008 9:00:50 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
What sort of draw-times are you guys getting with these holsters? Like - how long to draw from concealment to first shot & COM hit consistently?


.87 seconds from draw to COM hit consistently


Can you post a video of you starting from hands relaxed at sides, clearing your cover garment, drawing from an SOB holster and hitting the A zone of a IPSC target at 10 yards in .87 seconds consistantly? Without sweeping any part of your body? Because if you can, you need to be making lots of $$$ teaching the top competition shooters in the country how to get those times from a strong side race holster. Hell, I would pay you 50 bucks just to see it done live.

Not that I doubt what someone says on the internet but in 11 years of concealed carry and competition, I have never seen a sub 1 second draw from concealment that consistantly hit a 10 yard target.

Gringop


Don't forget to move off the X while sweeping your cover garment away!
5/29/2008 8:27:13 PM EDT
[#14]
had one for a 1911.  My wife had one for her 2" .38--we both hated the SOB holsters.

it didn't hold the pistol securely to the body and the grip would sag....printed really bad unless wearing something really thick like a field jacket....which didn't happen often in Phoenix.  Needed two hands to reholster, and the muzzle was always pointing at your other hand, leg, or ass.  No retention to speak of--very easy to see it due to the printing, and if anyone had a mind to walk up behind me they could have snatched it very easily.  

I replaced it with a strong side IWB 15 yrs ago, and no regrets at all.  I sure as hell won't use one of those again.


**only good thing about it was that my wife worked at Galco at the time, and the holsters only cost me about $30 each with her employee discount.  We actually made money when we sold them off.  
5/31/2008 3:17:25 PM EDT
[#15]

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You'll paralyze yourself if you ever fall on it!!

Sorry.... I wanted to be that guy for once.


I call BS on that old wives tale!!!!!!!!  I've been reading gun mags for 48 years and have yet to find a verified story of someone falling and being paralyzed as a result of the fall.  If anyone can find a verified instance of this please post it.

5/31/2008 9:55:42 PM EDT
[#16]

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Sorry to invade this thread and it's intents, but niceguymr, I was up north walking on a dirt (ice) road a few years ago with my P220 in my SOB holster and I slipped on the ice and fell flat on my back.  I did no irrepairable damage or anything, but DAMN that hurt!!!  I was sore all week long.  Didn't stop me from hunting like a mad man and killing a buck, but it hurt bad.  Now, I DO still carry SOB at times depending on the concealed setup I wish to run.  Only thing I do not like about SOB is when you lean over the butt of the gun sticks out and sometimes your shirt will drop into the gap.  Oh yeh, and the whole sitting in a hard chair thing, and having the butt dig into your back when you are driving, etc.  

That looks like a nice holster though!  You will find that you will have about a dozen holsters for each gun you own because none of them work ALL the time for ALL situations of dress.  


Sorry to hear about your accident and I hope your back is feeling better.  Sure, this is a rare and unusual example, but it's possible as I said originally.  I live in Florida so the prospect of me ever slipping on ice is VERY unlikely, which is why I can't even imagine it happening to me.  Perhaps I could slip on a wet floor in a grocery store.  Or rather, i wish... That could turn out to be one hell of a slip and fall law suit.  But the reality for most people is, that is will likely never happen.  Most people would try to brace their fall if possible by rolling to one side or another.  You simply hit the unlucky lottery and should probably go by a ticket to see if you can counter your luck.

But I agree with you most on no holster working all the time for all situations.  The SOB is no different.  Perhaps, you shouldn't wear and SOB when you're going to be walking on icy roads.  Seems almost like an obvious thing to consider next time.

I hope you feel better soon.
5/31/2008 9:59:42 PM EDT
[#17]

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Can you post a video of you starting from hands relaxed at sides, clearing your cover garment, drawing from an SOB holster and hitting the A zone of a IPSC target at 10 yards in .87 seconds consistantly? Without sweeping any part of your body? Because if you can, you need to be making lots of $$$ teaching the top competition shooters in the country how to get those times from a strong side race holster. Hell, I would pay you 50 bucks just to see it done live.

Not that I doubt what someone says on the internet but in 11 years of concealed carry and competition, I have never seen a sub 1 second draw from concealment that consistantly hit a 10 yard target.

Gringop


I'm sorry if my sarcasm was misunderstood.  My point was that SOB has a very negligable effect on my ability to draw my weapon from my holster, and while I realize that every milisecond counts in IPSC, the difference in REAL LIFE is virtually non-existant.  It's like saying that the car than came in 1.2 seconds behind 1st place would be considered poor performance.
5/31/2008 10:02:18 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You'll paralyze yourself if you ever fall on it!!

Sorry.... I wanted to be that guy for once.


I call BS on that old wives tale!!!!!!!!  I've been reading gun mags for 48 years and have yet to find a verified story of someone falling and being paralyzed as a result of the fall.  If anyone can find a verified instance of this please post it.



+1 although there are maybe a couple of believable stories that have been circulating the internet forums for quite a few years on this very issue where someone has 'hurt' themselves with an SOB holster.  I take those stories as seriously as I do the stories that say that the AR15 is an inadequate combat rifle for modern day warfare.