[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Another XD Vs Glock Thread. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/20/2008 5:22:33 AM EDT
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Im thinking seriously about getting an XD for my first CCW,but I hear a few of my friends saying that the XD is a good pistol but the Glock is better for CCW because it is lighter. Im curious to know what you guys think about the Fullsize XD Vs Fullsize Glock? Anybody have trouble concealing the fullsize? Edit:Is the XD-45 Compact smaller then the Glock 21sf? |
I want something in .45 Caliber. |
Have to agree. I am a "Glock guy" (G19 has been my primary carry-gun for almost 15 years now), but in .45 I prefer the XD and have gone to that platform for my high-cap .45s (I have two "Tacticals" and one Compact and love them all). BUT, I am admittedly biased by my smallish hands -- the G21s just don't fit me well, not even the newer "SF" models. YMMV. In 9mm, OTOH, it's Glock all the way IMO. Again, YMMV. |
Yep, there's not a US-spec Glock I haven't shot and not many I haven't owned -- I didn't care for it much and certainly didn't shoot it as well as my G19. With time and practice I probably could, but the G19 is dang near perfect for CCW in all ways FOR ME and I have no reason nor incentive to change. If I felt that I just had to have a .45 for CCW (I don't) it would be my XD-45 Compact, as I shot it better right out of the box than I do my G21s, my G30 (now gone), or the G36 I borrowed. Again, probably much more a function of my hand size/shape than anything about the respective models, so YMMV and probably will. |
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i have 2 xd's, i carry both but 9 out of ten times i carry the sc xd. they are both reliable accurate, and conceal well. the sc even more so of course. i carry mine in an iwb kydex holster. either one would serve you well, but i am an xd guy. glocks are fine pistols ut i refer xd's. they have metal sights they point better for me, they are better in the ergo dept for me. they are backed by one of the best cs departments in the industry and they really take care of the customer. there are more and more after market arts comming avaliable for the xd's. you can readily shoot lead ammo without having to get an aftermarket barrel. i have shot nearly 7k through my xd service without a single malfunction, and my sc has been through more than 2k and it is runing strong. |
i am the exact same in my opinion. i had purchased and could never get used to that grip angle. no matter how i tried, a "natural" hold caused my barrel to be pointing up at an angle and had to mentally bend my wrist to get a sight picture. I sold it and purchased a Sig P226 and never have been so happy....until... i bought a xd40 sc on a impulse buy when at a local gun store due to the incredible price compared to everyone around. this gun may not have the following of glock or sig but it should. it shoots soft using the same loads i use in the sig. it points and feels natural in the hand. even with the short mag and an unsupported little finger it controls easy. with its abreviated size you can even hide it with a desantis pocket holster |
They say the Glock is a little better just because they like Glock and some folks say XDs are better just because they like XDs. The fact is either one is a fantastic pistol and exept for some personal opinion stuff niether pistol is better than the other. I prefer the XDs to the Glocks and my personal carry pistol was a G19 and I still love it but I prefer the grip and a few other things on the XD so I carry my 9mm SC and .45 service now. Get the one YOU like better. The Glock will not explode on you and you will be able to get your XD fixed IF it breaks. |
IMO go check out both models at a shop. Biggest thing is they both point differently when brought up to eye level. Hold each one in a low ready position and slowly bring the gun up to eye level and see which one points more natually for you. For me and many others, the Glock's front sight points high when I do this but my XDs are right on target like my 1911s. No good if your CCWing a gun and your used to a certain grip(1911 type for me) and you (god forbid) have to quickly draw your CCW(Glock) piece only to shoot upwards instead of at the intended target. |
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Go rent and shoot both and see what works for you. You ask this question in the springer forum I can tell you what the overwhelming response will be, same with the glock forum. Try out the following and see what fits you best. Commander 1911 XD 45 compact and service Glock 21SF, 21, 30, and 36 Also try the S&W M&P |
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either one in full size can be a little tougher to CCW b/c of the fulllength butt area imo, a glock compact offers the best option for both CCWable firearm and as a primary shooter (w/ the near perfect sized grip length); other than the XD 45C, the subcompact XDs are a little too small imo overall, i'd rather have a Glock vs the XD--YMMV the XD45 compact, both in length and in width and length is shorter/.smaller, more ergo handling better (imo) than the G21SF, hw/ i'd still talk the glock overall |
I would go with a G30 but there is thing wrong with the XD. The Glock just works better for me. If you buy a new XD you will not have to worry about the rust problem and someone said that you could get parts for the XDs now. That is one of my biggest complaints about the XD, most gunstores have ANYTHING I want for my glocks but the XDs had to go back to SA if they needed a spring. That and Glock mags are half price compared to XD mags. |
Are they? I got six brand new XD45 mags with little carry cases for $45, are glock mags cheaper than that? |
I just orderd 15 new Glock high cap mags. 10 17rnd G17 mags and 5 15rnd G19 mags. Total was $162.00 for all 15 mags shipped to my door. If you can tell me the place where I can get XD mags for that price I will buy a 5" XD .45 this weekend. |
Glock models using the same magazine types have been in production for how many decades? The XD is still a new series of guns, the previous croatian models notwithstanding. Magazine prices will come down as more and more guns are produced and economies of scale are realized. The 3 magazine "XDgear accessory kits" that I picked up so cheap were a limited time special (they have been available for about 6 months+ now though) and are drying up. They typically went for $30, though I got mine cheaper, and $10 a mag for factory magazines isn't bad in my book. I'm all stocked up now, as are most XD owners I imagine. If you're looking at getting an xd now you'll just have to wait and hope Springfield sees the huge popularity of the kits and does another run of them. Otherwise stick with the glocks, they are certainly the most common polymer handguns, and so are their accessories. |
That is my exact setup and the same way i carry. Carried in Don Hume IWB at 4:00 |
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Glock 19 - FTW. I used to be a .45 guy until I realized that .45 gives you an approx 2 millimeter bigger hole. Caliber will not compensate for mediocre hits and lack of training. I've seen multiple XDs lock up in training classes. 1-handed reloads, etc. become VERY difficult because you have to have a firm, proper grip and if you're doing 1-handed work - even on a square range - getting that grip safety depressed and racking the slide is... problematic. Glocks aren't "perfection" but if I'm wounded and doing a 1-handed reload, I do not want a grip "safety" to prevent me from getting back in the fight. Take care and stay safe, Mike |
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I own a few of both... but I personally prefer the GLOCK over the XDs. I would try both of them out and see what YOU like. Don't listen to anyone else on here telling you one is better than the other. The fact is this... THEY BOTH ARE GOOD GUNS. THE ONLY thing that matters is WHICH gun DO YOU PREFER PERIOD! |
Sorry, I call BS on this one. Less than $10 a piece huh, riiigghhttt. |
Sorry I don't have the sales receipt handy, they were $20 each (plus sales tax) for the XDgear accessory kits, which are three magazines and a mag holder in a hard case. I bought about 10 of them for me and friends with XDs. All it takes is 5 seconds on google to find out they existed, and that they were typically $30 a kit, I got them for less than that. |
I know they exist, but they are in the $40 + shipping range. If you got them for $20, that is not the norm. Good deal for you but not a fair comparison to Glock mags. ETA - they were also a limited time promotion. |
They were $30 ea from about 100 places for the last 6 months. Now that they have all dried up they are gouging people for $40 on the few that are left. I know it was a limited time item but it's not like they didn't sell hundreds of thousands of mags that way. Keep your glocks and the cheap mags, I don't cry about paying $45 each for my HK mags either. It's not like I need 100 loaded mags for each pistol. 
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Roll your eyes, doesn't matter to me. I was correcting the statement that Glock mags are cheaper, there is no need for arguement since it's a fact. Sorry if I hurt your feeling my friend, cheap mags are just ONE reason to get a Glock over a XD. There, that will start an arguement  Oh, I'll be keeping my Glocks but thanks for telling me it's ok! |
I'm not even attempting to argue with you. I've shot many a glock as well as all the other common pistols and am much happier with my XD than I ever would be with a (non-modified) glock. That's not to say they aren't fine firearms, because they are. They are the Honda Accord of firearms, not sexy, cheap, abundant, reliable, and easy to find parts for. I prefer a pistol that points naturally for me and has at least one actual safety. Some people don't care about those things and for them the glock is the perfect gun. |
I can agree with that. There is the big reason they both exist. I don't like the way the XD feels, trigger reset is horrible and part availability is sub par. I shoot Glocks much better and prefer the way they point/feel. Throw the M&P in there and you have your choice of polymer. All good, all different. |
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lol You and me have tiny hands. I feel like the poor BK guy who can't eat a Whooper  Just sold my G21 because it is too big for me. |
I see this a lot and wonder what is wrong with the grip angle on the GLOCK. I am hoping when my FNP-9 comes, it has a "normal" grip angle so I can see the difference. I only own GLOCKs so I honestly thought it was fine, maybe it is for me, I don't know. Do they shoot better or feel better with a different grip angle? I'm really interested, I'm not trying to be smart about it. eta: i finished reading the rest of the posts and realized that when you are used to one grip, you have to concentrate on keeping the muzzle pointed in the proper direction or risk shooting upward. |
Yep -- I'm 6'3", 300#, and wear 13EEE shoes... but I have these freakishly small girly-hands. Go figure.  I still have my G21s just because they are great pistols and I can't bear to part with them, but I prefer the XD-45 by far. I did get rid of my G30, however -- couldn't hit the broad side of my barn reliably with it. 
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IMO it's mostly a matter of what you are used to. Many folks who shot 1911s and other autos with similar grip angles (noticeably different from the Glock's angle) for years have trouble transitioning to the Glock, or just don't like it at first and don't put any effort into it beyond that. Some seem to innately prefer one or the other, not having previously acclimated to either. Some can transition between the two without issue. I grew up on 1911s and M92s. I found the Glock awkward at first but persisted and became proficient with it. The more I shot it the more I liked it and, since the G19 eventually became my primary CCW platform, I now shoot my Glocks more than all of my (many) other handguns combined. Accordingly, I now shoot them better than any others and (thank God!) I don't have trouble going back to a 1911 or M92 and shooting them well. But none of that happened overnight -- it takes time and practice. |
Good, perhaps I will not have an issue since I have only owned GLOCK handguns. It will be interesting when I get my FNP-9 in a few weeks. |
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I both hate and love my Glocks. I carry a G19 as my CCW and carry a Glock 22 on the job. For years I struggled with my Glock duality. My primary gripe about Glock is the grip angle, the lack of superior accuracy, and the ugly asthetics. Face it, compared to a M1911 or an M9 - Glocks are chunky, ugly, inaccurate firearms. I got over my issues. The number one concern with CCW is reliability. Glocks are High King of Sh*t Mountian in that category. As a firearms instructor, I have seen too many XDs have problems on the range to ever trust them. In my opinion, a SA XD is about the same as a S&W Sigma. It's another companies attempt to enter the combat Tupperware market. The XDs are practically a brand-new platform with a lot of bugs to be worked out. We have local departments in my area that went with XDs only to return to Glock a year later. Right now, in my area, no one carries the XD as a duty weapon. Even the dreaded S&W 5906 gets the nod over the XDs in these parts. When XD gets a few generations under its belt, then perhaps it can compete. Get a Glock. Your grip will adjust, you will get used to it's effective ugliness, and your accuracty will improve. It's just a better combat weapon. Glock FTW. Anything else could leave you lacking. |
I agree with everything but the accuracy comment. Glocks are no less accurate than any other fighting handgun. Some cannot shoot them as well without practice but the mechanical accuracy of the weapon is fine. |
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I ccw an XD-9 service. No problems concealing iwb, and I chose it over the G19 because of the grip safety. That being said, I have a Walther P99 that I am going to trade in for a G19 soon because of the availability of parts compared to the XD. Later in the year I'll be buying an XD 4" compact in .45, because as someone said in the beginning of the thread, 10 in the weapon, and a couple of 13 round backup mags is a great ccw setup. |
I should have clarified. When I say that Glock is inaccurate, I should have made the comparison to competition / race guns - such as custom jobs, tricked out M1911s, etc... I've never qualified with under a 92 with my service G22. But with my M9, I always hit a 100. LOL. |
The XDs are not a brand new platform. The XD design has been around almost 10 years. It was designed for the Croation military in the late '90s. First produced in 1999. The Glock has about 18 years on the XD. world.guns.ru/handguns/hg48-e.htm I've had an XD-9 Service bi-tone since 2004. Have run several thousand rounds through it without a problem. I know of a member on this site who has shot over 60,000 rounds through his XD9 without a problem. He is on his second barrel (sorry, forgot his screen name; he is a firearms instructor. I can find it if you want.). I hear about people "seeing the XD jam up at a range I was at." Never heard any specifics though. I would be curious to learn more about these jams... The XD is by far the most accurate pistol for me. I can shoot one ragged hole groups at 7-10 yards with cheap Blazer aluminum cased ammo all day if I don't get lazy. I shoot it better than my Beretta. The XD is my number one choice in handgun platforms though. I have my second XD-9 on layaway at the moment. Glock has great marketing strategy; I'll give them that. They practically give them to police departments, and then everyone in the private market wants them as well. Genius. XDs on the other hand are an object of suspicion and scorn and most people are skeptical of them (even though it is a nearly 10 year old design). I have a friend who is ready to buy a Glock without even shooting one because of all the Glock hype, and rules out the XD on the simple fact they aren't a Glock. I wish more people would do a more objective comparison of the two pistol designs. I think many people would find they like the grip on the XD better. Some will like the Glock better though. It's all personal preference. I've got nothing against Glocks. Just don't like the grip angle and the feel of the trigger. I like the nice broad trigger of the XD better. YMMV. |
hmm, i wonder how accurate the XD long slide is in .45 I'm startin to come around on the idea of an XD. i may not be 6'3", 300lbs, but for 5'8, 200, i am sure built like donkey kong!  big hand and all. a G21 felt pretty good to me, but i didn't like the trigger pull too much. I also like the look of an XD. From the reading i've done, it seems that the XD is on the same reliability tier of the glock, and arguably more accurate, (depending on the shooter), I'm liking the look of it, especially the long slide. as arnold once said... ".45 long slide...with laser sight."I'm considering buying 2 pistols, a compact one and a fullsize one, so i can buy fullsize mags, and use it in the compact, along with the same ammo. between that and the price it had me sold on a glock 21/30 combo. now the XD has me thinking. |
I would not mind a 5" XD but I don't think they are as reliable as the Glocks. See the below post. There are too many instructrs and departments having bad luck with theirs. I got over my issues. The number one concern with CCW is reliability. Glocks are High King of Sh*t Mountian in that category. As a firearms instructor, I have seen too many XDs have problems on the range to ever trust them. In my opinion, a SA XD is about the same as a S&W Sigma. It's another companies attempt to enter the combat Tupperware market. The XDs are practically a brand-new platform with a lot of bugs to be worked out. We have local departments in my area that went with XDs only to return to Glock a year later. Right now, in my area, no one carries the XD as a duty weapon. Even the dreaded S&W 5906 gets the nod over the XDs in these parts. When XD gets a few generations under its belt, then perhaps it can compete. Get a Glock. Your grip will adjust, you will get used to it's effective ugliness, and your accuracty will improve. It's just a better combat weapon. Glock FTW. Anything else could leave you lacking. Posted :: 2/28/2008 11:07:21 AM EST |