Posted: 11/21/2006 2:24:04 PM EDT
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Ok, just to verify....9mm is acceptable for a self-defense weapon, correct? Just means you'll have to put a few extra rounds down range to add stopping power? Do hollow points make a difference too? I was thinking about getting a Sig P239 in 9mm. |
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Looks fine to me, although I am no huge fan of the 147gr. loadings in 9mm. The really important thing is bullet placement, which is actually behind things like awareness, proper reaction to threats and suchlike. I have friends who have done very well over meny years in one of the most dangerous environments on earth with only 9mm FMJ, but they are very street smart and very skilled. You will be fine with that ammo if you do your part. |
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anyone have a link to Zaphod's pic with the various calibers in ballistic gel? I've got it as my desktop wallpaper at work, but no idea where it's at here. according to that photographic evidence, Skag is correct. the 357 Sig had a bigger permanent wound channel than the others, but all the ammo tested (9, 40, 357 sig and 45) did roughly the same damage. I wouldn't feel under-gunned with any of the popular calibers (9mm and larger) that being said, I only carry .45, simply because that's what I'm comfortable with. After 20 yrs with the same platform (1911) and many, many, many thousands of rounds downrange, I can hit what I aim at. |
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Guys, I don't mean to fuel a 9mm vs 45 fire, but everytime I lay a 9mm round on the reloading bench beside a 45ACP round, I know which one to carry. IMHO, handguns are poor substitutes for real guns (rifles, SG) in a fight. They're all about punching holes of adequate penetration in the target, not "shock" power. Larger holes are more likely to produce quicker "hydraulic failure". 9mm is dependant on bullet performance to produce large holes. 45 is "failsafe" in this regard since it starts big and stays big, even in the event of failure to expand. I'd definately consider the 45 superior for use against aggressors dressed heavily for cold weather... As always, accuracy is of great importantance with either round. The above is simply my opinion. Fortunately it was formed thru defensive training and use of handguns in hunting situations, not defensive use against meth pumped felons. |
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Stopping power isn't an issue with handguns (unless you're a fantastic shot), so the more you can make him bleed, the better. Whether you do that with lots of .35 caliber holes or a few .45 cal holes, I don't think it makes a huge difference. Don't get me wrong, I'm a .45 fanboy myself... but it's not like 9mm is inneffective. |
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found link. just scroll down to Pistol Ammo www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=237 |
Well, I mean, most people don't shoot somebody with one bullet. If you're shooting a person, it's because you want to put a man down, and in the heat of the moment, you'll probably unload your whole magazine into him. When a guy gets 9+ hollow points unloaded into him, it doesn't matter WHAT kind of winter clothing he's wearing . Hell, most people faint/collapse after the first shot just from going into shock.It doesn't matter what the size of the bullet it. Whether it's 380, 32, 9mm, 40 S&W, 45, etc. If you unload your magazine into a perp, he's gonna drop. |
I would have to agree. I personally prefer Federal 124gr. LOW RECOIL Hydro-shoks because my double tap is that much more controllable. It doesnt mean shit how big and how bad the round is you use.....If you cant hit what you are aiming at why carry it? If you feel more comfortable with a 9mm and shoot it better, use it. Next time someone tells you 9mm is NOT a good personal defense round, tell them to stand ten feet in front of you while you line the sights of your handgun up on his chest. |
Wow. I'm not even sure where to begin. You need to look into the subject a little more. Also, ask yourself which would be easier to explain to the judge/jury, a perp with two 45 rounds in him or eight 9mm rounds. In a dynamic life or death fight with a motivated felon, you'll be doing well to get two well placed shots, let alone "a whole magazine". |
Just bought about 800 rounds of that. Buy at Wally World, save on shipping. I bought out all 9mm white boxes at three stores. I do, however carry Golden Sabers or Gold Dots in my CCW. The white box JHP are SHTF hollow points for if I'm still alive after I empty all of my carry mags. 
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don't listen to what some say, about the 9mm not being enough. anyone that has seen the after math of a shooting involving 9mm rds that were put in the right place will testify that they work. 9mm is great for several reasons. 1) it is inexpensive shooting, practice ammo is cheap. 2) highest capacity of the calibers 3) can be highly accurate 4) recoil is easily managable by almost anyone. other than a few keft iver black talons, i use hornaday xtp's in my 9mm glock, as well as xtp's in any gun that i am gonna use in a hd/sd situation. |
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Nines are a great round, with the way ammunition has been developed recently. Don't feel undergunned. You may still get some of this from people  I carry the .40, but I really really like my BHP in 9.
I recommend you look into these things a bit more. Regard, |