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Posted: 2/2/2006 1:12:21 PM EDT
Assuming you could have any of the usual LE culprits, what would you carry if you were LE? Police/military are welcome to weigh in as well.

For me, I think I would carry a Sig 229 in 357 Sig.

Just curious.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 1:13:37 PM EDT
1911
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 1:23:18 PM EDT
Double stack single action 1911 first. Glock 35 second.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 1:23:27 PM EDT
Right now I'm really into my XD-40 service model V-10. When I get out of the academy I hope I'd allowed to use it as a duty weapon. Im really into it right now because Ive had it less then a week.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 1:36:09 PM EDT
New rollmark Colt 1991A1 Commander, customized with good stuff by one of the top smiths.

I wouldn't want to be cop even for that though.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 1:41:10 PM EDT
Sig 226 9mm w/ Federal +P+, 20 round mags w/ SF light.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 1:49:31 PM EDT
Beretta 92 FS
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 1:50:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 2:07:57 PM EDT
1911--Kimber TLE II or SA TRP or something like that
Glock 21 w/ grip mods
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 2:17:44 PM EDT
H&K P7

The only police service pistol that wasn't used against an officer by a bad guy.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 2:42:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SS109:
H&K P7

The only police service pistol that wasn't used against an officer by a bad guy.



Is that because of the grippy thing?
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 4:15:57 PM EDT
I didn't know there was any other duty pistol besides the Glock 22! hock.gif
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 5:43:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Selvatico:
I didn't know there was any other duty pistol besides the Glock 22!



+1

That seems to be the standard for us "po-fessional" types.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 5:57:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:07:03 PM EDT
HK USP Compact.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:09:47 PM EDT
I carry a Kimber TLE/RL II with internal extractor. I also have a Kimber Ultra CDP II for off duty.

My order:

1911
Sig
Glock

(if money is truly an issue then you can switch Sig and Glock around). My choice is for my personal preference for fit in hand first and then type of action.

Mike
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:10:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
HK USP Compact.



Why carry a compact as a cop?
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:11:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/2/2006 6:13:32 PM EDT by VT_K9]
Must be a late night. I swear I clicked only once, but my screen frozen up in a send mode. Must be the wonderful dial-up. Sorry. Mike
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:17:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
HK USP Compact.



Why carry a compact as a cop?



Why not?

If people are going to pick a 1911, why not a USP compact?
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:54:43 PM EDT
I was LEO for eight years. The first three I carried a Beretta 92fs. I thought it was superior to any other design. I would make jokes about plastic guns.
In 1999 I got a glock 22 by accident. a guy owed me cash, so he gave me the gun in exchange. It was brand new, he only put one box of ammo thru it.
First time at the range I shot distinguished expert on qualification day. also, it felt damn comfy in my medium sized hands.
I switched weapons and have never looked back.
I love my Beretta and still have it, but glock is what I choose as my first line of personal protection.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:53:50 PM EDT
1911
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:59:14 PM EDT
I would carry either a GLOCK 17 9x19mm or either a SiG Sauer P226 9x19mm.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 9:01:12 PM EDT
S&W 1086 or 1046
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 9:03:29 PM EDT
S&W M66 or M19 4 inch barrel, but I carry a Glock 23
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 9:13:45 PM EDT
My Robar modded G21 would be my choice.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 9:33:59 PM EDT
1911.


After that, I'd go for the H&K USP, though I'd be undecided between the .40 and .45. Proabbly still the .45.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 9:44:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/2/2006 9:47:30 PM EDT by Blankwaffe98]
I carried a 92FS from the academy on through my SWAT training.Issue weapon was a Glock 21 which I liked o.k....but preferred the 92FS enough to buy my own weapon and holster for my service weapon,and still do prefer it.
Bought my 92FS in 1990 before entering the academy and its still with me today...running like a champ.Probably the most dependable weapon I have owned in my life.
If I go back into LEO,which I plan to do very soon,I will carry the 92FS again if I have that choice.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:11:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 5:13:09 AM EDT by ARer]
Sig P226 in 40.
Reliable, accurate and comfortable to shoot.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:09:24 AM EDT
I'm issued and carry a Glock 22 on duty and feel very confident in it. I would carry a 1911 if it was allowed. Either way I don't feel outgunned. I do carry my 1911 off duty.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:22:42 AM EDT
A cop is more likely to be involved in an extended firefight than the average citizen. That being said, there is no way I would carry a 8 or 9 round gun if I was a cop.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:33:35 AM EDT
4” S&W M19
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:52:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
A cop is more likely to be involved in an extended firefight than the average citizen. That being said, there is no way I would carry a 8 or 9 round gun if I was a cop.



Statistically your wrong, most shootings only fire 4 to 6 rounds, there are however those exceptions. I know of one cop in a neighboring agency that has been involved in two shootings, both times he came out on top, and has a Sig 220, rounds fired in each incident 4. It all goes back to training, and round placement (which is easier said than done).
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 10:11:42 AM EDT
Glock .40S&W
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 10:25:30 AM EDT
some good points about the number of rounds needed. Food for thought.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 11:50:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 11:52:37 AM EDT by gcpd19]

Originally Posted By InheritedAnArsenal:
some good points about the number of rounds needed. Food for thought.



Its the whole 4 to 6 rule:

4 to 6 rounds,
4 to 6 feet,
4 to 6 seconds

And statistically the gun fight is over

What gets cops into trouble is based off an FBI study on what reasons cops get killed in a gun fight, #2 is the lack of cover and #1 is not realizing they are in a gun fight (i.e. walk into a situation they are not aware of).
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 12:26:59 PM EDT
HK USP9 with jet funnel, 18+1 of Winchester Rangers would be just fine for me
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 12:31:58 PM EDT
HK , more versatility in the DA, SA , safety design. Only slight drawback is the non standard rail. Also , the USP seems to tame recoil nicely.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 12:35:26 PM EDT
GLOCK 22 , but I really like SIG 226
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 1:08:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Double stack single action 1911.



What he said
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 1:34:07 PM EDT

I was taught:

3 shots
3 seconds
3 feet

However, I believe those stats need to be updated. They are based on a lot of agencies stats dating back to when revolvers were the primary weapon.

We have had several shootings w/ 10+ rounds being fired recently.

Bad guys are getting smarter and using cover more and more.

It seems like one of two things will happen:

#1 The close-in, quick, 3-shot scenario

#2 A moving firefight where cover is used, and several shots are fired.



#2 is becoming more and more prevalant.

I'll take a Glock in .40 or .357sig.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 11:36:45 PM EDT
Even though I was a dumbass and traded it off for a SIG 228 3 weeks ago, I say the Glock 19 is the perfect duty weapon
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:39:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gcpd19:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
A cop is more likely to be involved in an extended firefight than the average citizen. That being said, there is no way I would carry a 8 or 9 round gun if I was a cop.



Statistically your wrong, most shootings only fire 4 to 6 rounds, there are however those exceptions. I know of one cop in a neighboring agency that has been involved in two shootings, both times he came out on top, and has a Sig 220, rounds fired in each incident 4. It all goes back to training, and round placement (which is easier said than done).



As a firearms instructor, I would concur with gcpd19. When I carried a S&W 4506, I carried 4 spare mags in a Don Hume pouch. I pistol allows me to fight back to the rifle or shotgun I should have had in the first place, if it goes that long. I would rather have the officers I train carry what they are most confident with, rather than just what they are given. Fast accurate shot placement is the key to winning a gunfight with a pistol, or with any small arm for that matter. The shooting I was involved in was over in 1 round. If I'm ever in another, it might be 30 rounds. I won't know until it's over.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:11:48 AM EDT
1911 of course.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:46:15 AM EDT
Glock.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:34:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:54:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:04:10 AM EDT
I am LEO and my ONLY CHOICE would be GLOCK

It works any time, any condition etc...

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=13658
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:08:26 AM EDT
Me like 229, .357 Dak! It's a sick round!....and wickit too!
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 7:16:01 AM EDT
P220 in 45acp. I've carried Glocks, S&Ws, HK, 1911 but keep going back to the Sig.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 10:36:51 AM EDT
Baer Custom TRS!
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:40:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 3:44:13 PM EDT by zen_grasshopper]
I am.

I do carry a 1911.

Why? Because I can.

Department issues Glocks but you can carry a personally owned firearm pending approval from the boss.

We have officers carrying a S&W 4566, Springfield XD-9, Sig P220ST, Sig P225, Beretta 9000s, and a Springfield XD-40 Subcompact.

Why? Because we can.

That and hand size and shape. One of my officers had problems with the Glock, tried an XD, he purchased it and his scores improved immediately by approximately 20%. The P225, 9000s and the XD-40 Sub are carried by plainclothes officers.

I prefer a progressive department that allows choices. I understand the logistical nightmare of different firearms for large departments, but not everyone fits the firearm issued.

Jonathan
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