[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Springfield XD-9 Vs. Glock (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 11/25/2005 1:26:22 PM EDT
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We went shooting this afternoon and I brought my Springfield XD-9. It is a fine little pistol. Here it is along with my Glock 19.  The Springfield shoots great. I have shot thousands of rounds through it without the first bobble. It is accurate. It has a grip safety that the Glock lacks. My questions: Why is this pistol not used by more law enforcement agencies than it is? What does the Glock have that this piece lacks? Does anyone know of a major law enforcement agency that uses the Springfield XD-9? Thanks for the input. 
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I dunno, but I have a G17 and an XD9 SC, and the little XD shoots very well also. I prefer the Glock though. |
Shooting yourself with a "Glock Foty" sounds better than an XD-9? 
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I understand what you mean. To be honest, I "perfer" my Glock also. But other than just "personal preferences", is there any other reason this pistol isn't more popular with those that carry one every day? If I was a Police Officer, I certainly would not feel "underarmed" with the XD. |
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I'm not sure the XD has been marketed as a LEO weapon. And most folks probably don't think of Croatia when they think of countries legendary for high quality small arms. And, unless I am mistaken, the XD is somewhat new to the market in comparison to the Glock. Galland |
Interesting. I had not heard that item. Thanks. |
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I've thought long and hard about the XD-9. The corrosion issue I read about profusely was bothersome to me. I'm very partial to the Glock 26 as a CCW piece. When I compare it side by side to the XD-9 Subcompact, I prefer the Glock, as it has very similiar external dimensions, but offers an extra 1/2" of barrel for the same footprint. The XD-9 in .40 cal. also had issues with the slide locking back mid magazine, which I'm not sure has been fixed. Someone at the XD-9 forum did a very detailed study and found the issue was the XD designers used the same exact mag catch as the 9mm model, and the larger rounds were pushing the mag catch up with each round feeding. He had great pics with ink on rounds being rubbed off by the mag catch as they rose. That, and I just like a gun that's had umpteen more guns manufactured, and thus more problems ironed out. |
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I've been hearing more & more good things being said about the XD. I'd really like to shoot one. Arfcom member -Absolut- has one and, IIRC, he enjoys shooting the hell out of it and uses it as his carry weapon. It is a good looking pistol & the grip safety is certainly a plus IMO. |
I sweat all over mine on a regular basis since it is in my CCW rotation. Light coat of CLP before she goes in the safe. Never seen any corrosion. None. Had it two years. You have to wonder about weapons maintenance when you hear about these issues. |
My guess would be name recognition and 'proven' reliability. AFAIK, the XD was purchased by Springfield from a ?Czech? company that sold it as the HS2000, and it was relatively unknown in the US before Springfield got ahold of it. I think there are a few LE agencies overseas that use the HS2000. They're great pisols, and I love mine. |
Yep, my XD has a finish that looks and acts just like the Glocks. Can't imagine that it has "corrosion problems". But if anyone has actual experience with this, I'd like to hear about it.
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I haven't noticed any finish issues with mine, but I bought it used and it's been parked and gunkoated.... The 26 is a bit smaller and lighter than the SC, so if I had to pick just one to throw in my waistband, it'd be the Glock. Fortunately, I am not limited to only one firearm. The SC's recoil with WWB ammo is right about identical to the G17, and it seems to come back on target very quickly.. |
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I have an XD-40 service that I bought 3 years ago, seen lots of range and carry time. Has zero problems with the finish. I also have an XD-9 Sub that I've owned about a year, bought it used, It has seen alot, and has a couple of "rough" spots on it. But it has held up well to alot of abuse. I have little experience with glocks, I've rented one and shot my brothers. Even though they are accurate and considered highly reliable, I just don't like the grip angle. My XD's perform just as well for what I use them for. |
Many LE Agencys require double action only guns ( lawsuits) and for some reason Glock Glock was able to get into this catagory ( I can't explain this). I have two XD's 4" and a Subcompact , both .40's After owning an XD I don't think I could do without the Grip Safety. |
Almost too much.
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| I have a G17 and I like it very much. I have looked at the XD's at the store and they are nice. The corrosion issue does worry me, but I am planning on buying a 4" OD green XD40 someday. I like the way the grip feels, but I could care less about the grip safety. |
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The fact that the Glock has been around awhile has given it time to earn it's reputation for reliability.* Parts interchangeability could also have something to do with it. The LEO discounts probably have more than a little to do with it, also. I've never tried an XD, myself, but from what I hear, they are pretty good. When I bought my Glock, it was sort of a toss-up between the Glock and an XD. What sold me on the Glock was the reliability, plus I had tried a friend's G22, and shot pretty well with it. *In before the "ALL Glocks kaboom, ALL the time" crowd. 
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 My very first gun was the 4" 9mm XD. I was convinced it was a modern, enhanced Glock at a lower price. I was wrong and I quickly grew to hate the pistol. After firing 6500 rounds in the first month, it became clear that the gun would not be able to keep up with my shooting habits. Sold it for $200 and switched to a Glock 17. The new owner sent it back to Springfield for repair. I don't have any long-term info on the pistol. Imagine trying to learn how to shoot with a gun that doesn't run.
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| If you send an XD to canyon creek the trigger will be every bit as short on takeup and reset as a glock and not be all mushy springy like them. It makes the follow up shots just as fast with an XD. I know the bore axis is higher but XD slide weight seems to even it out as far as muzzleflip IMHO. |
I appreciate the info. Could you expand please? What was the problem? Did it have failures? What were they? Thanks. |
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I bought an XD40 for my wife a year or so ago. It never had corrosion issues but I brought up the concern with SA and they told me they'd coat it with their armory coat for free if I wanted to send the slide to them. The XD has been fired a bit over 2K rounds with cheap miwall reloads and has only malfunctioned on rounds that were out of spec and would not fit in the chamber. The only drawback I've really seen to the XD is that it's not in .45acp and it's not a 1911  I wont be trading in any of my 1911s for an XD any time soon.
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Springfield Armory does have an LE program for all their weapons. However, they have not promoted the XD as an issue weapon the way Glock has over the years. The LE pricing on the XD is quite comparable to Glock's LE pricing, about $10 more for an XD. I think there have been some good ideas listed as to why the XD isn't issued more. First, timing. Glock was in the right place at the right time. Second, armorer classes and work. The XD is a more complex weapon when you get into the fram. Probably all of us here can sit down with a Glock and detail strip it in about 10 minutes. XD's are not as simple to detail strip. While it isn't extremely difficult, it is not a Glock. Third, the trigger pull on an XD is considered by most to be a single action while the Glock is somewhere between single and double action. I've been selling Glocks and XD's for the past 2 years. Mainy people that came in to look at a Glock also handle the XD and find it fits the hand better, points more naturally and has a better trigger pull. I can't argue with that, its true even for me. I have seen some issues with the slide finish. Most slides appear to be finished with a basic parkerizing that wears fast when constatnly in and out of a holster. I've seen some rust in the last 2 years. I believe SA has changed to the Armory Kote finish to eliminate any problems. The XD is a good gun but, I'll never replace my Glocks with XD's. |
Glock had a 20 year head start and gives huge discounts to LE agencies.
A short trigger reset, a proven reputation, and aftermarket support (duty holsters, CCW holtsters)
Nope. Not even a approved personal owned weapon in my agency. |
I just cannot get used to the very long trigger rest of the XD. It's why i dont like sigs too. to many years of shooting glocks, 1911's, and SW autos with short trigger resets i guess. Of course shooters who just slap the trigger and scratch their head when I type "trigger reset" wont have that issue. |
I dont recall it being much different than a glock for trigger reset. I'll have to take the wife's XD to work tonite and compare it to an agency owned glock just for giggles. It's certainly a shorter reset than my P220. Btw, I forgot to mention on the wife's XD we have never had a single instance of the slide prematurely locking open. If they were using the wrong slide stop they've obviously changed or we got one before/after it happened.  My personal opinion is that the XD is an improved glock. Glock would do well to take a few of the features of the XD and incorporate them into future models. As far as LE using the XD I believe the biggest issue is the lack of security holsters. If Safariland came out with an XD version of the Raptor it might become a bit more common. |
I'm one of those who have actual experience with rust on an XD, but I admit up front that it was my fault. Went shooting with my XD sub, got distracted and put it in the gun locker without cleaning it after I got back. Pulled it out a few days later to find rust on the slide, right where I gripped it to manipulate the action. I'd been going light on the CLP for fear of taking the paint off my then new mep sights, a concern that I've since learned was unfounded. Prior to that, the finish had held up well through two years of use, including a carbine class in sleet / snow, and a handgun class in 95 degree heat and high humidity. The rust came off with a little CLP on a rag, but I decided to send the slide to James at www.xd-hs2000.com/ for durakote refinishing. Cost me 50 bucks including shipping, and looks great. Better than factory new. (James had sold me my meprolights previously, for 80 bucks installed. His prices are great, his turnaround time is supurb and his customer service is phenominal.) The finish is the only weak area I've found after ~5000 rounds and several classes with the XD. I replaced a Glock 30 with the XD sub a couple years ago, and am still quite happy with my choice. Happy enough that I bought a XD tactical as a 'full size' pistol yesterday. It'll be going to James for durakoating and meprolight sights after the holidays. |