Posted: 6/28/2005 5:51:59 PM EDT
| i just posted the 1911 or usp for my 1st handgun post and i definitely have chosen an h&k. my problem is-for my 1st handgun should i go full size? if so, usp .45 or usp tactical .45-is the tactical worth that much extra money, is the usp trigger that bad? iwould rather spend around700 but would save for the tac. model. if full size or compact doesn't matter as my 1st hg how about the p2000? i would rather go .40 s&w than 9mm. especially since i was originally looking for .45 anyway-i like alittle power. i have small hands which is why i am also looking at compacts(p2000) |
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Defaintely go with the USP tactical, if you can afford it. Match grade trigger O-ring barrel Threaded Barrel and High profile adjustable sights That is what you will get with the Tactical that you will not get with a standard USP. Not to say that the USP is in anyway inferior - not even close. Both are exellent handguns. If you wanna spoil yourself, definately get the Tactical. The p2000 is a great choice also, especially for a CCW. |
Man they're all great guns, its just what you can afford. Personaly I would either get the tactical with all its whistles or get a basic P2000 a great handgun for the money. The P2000 accepts standard picatinny lights and lasers and are a bunch more compact. All are great guns.
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if you're hands are small, you may want to hold the Tactical first. The USP45 frame (which is what the USP45 Tac has) is slightly larger than the USP9/40 frame. The Tactical is a tremendous gun. As mentioned above with all it's features, it will make you a better shooter than you are. The sights are fully adj. match sights designed to be able to see over the suppressor that you may get to thread on the end of your barrel. If you switch to adj night sights, you will have to use the top of the blade as your sight as the tritium sits lower on on the blade. The P2000 generally comes with the LEM trigger, DAO pre-cocked hammer. The USPC9/40 generally come in Variant 1 which is SA/DA, manual safety, you can carry it cocked and locked. The USPC's do not have a spurred hammer, while the full size USP's do. From your post, I would opt for the USP Tactical if your hand size is average or above. You will not be disappointed. If your hands are smaller and/or you want a CCW, then a P2000 or USPC9/40 is a good choice, with the P2KSK being a better choice because of the size. I shoot my Mark23 and USP Tactical the most out of all the HK guns I have. M |
| I had a USP Tactical .45 until recently. It's a very good gun. I actually used mine for concealed carry. The factory sights are ok, but I'd replace them with Novak or Heinie nightsights personally (I bought Heinies). The grip is large I suppose, but it was a pretty good fit for me. |
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if you want an all around awesome HK...go with the Tac. if you want something that is almost the same but a little cheaper...go with the USP .45 fullsize. if you are looking at something you can CCW...go with the USP .45 compact. i have the USP .45 compact and take it everywhere i go. its pretty easy to conceal and an awesome gun. the Tac will be my next HK though. cant wait to save up and get it. good luck man |
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Why are you buying an HK? I chose the Tactical because of a great reputation, accurate shooter and I need a platform for my AAC Evolution 45. Well, it will be mine once the BATF approved the Form 4 (as well as the other 2 that are in fromt of it). Anyway, if you can use the extra features of the Tactical I think it's a great choice. YMMV. BTW, this thread is worthless without pix!!! 
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ETA: i like the tan Tac... Id love a OD one but got a black one for a price i couldnt pass on... $780.00 for a Tactical complete with all accessoies, less then 300 rounds thru it, and less then a year old wasnt a bad deal......... Im assuming bigkracka doesnt own a Tactical due to his post.... If you havent owned one or shot one why comment on them? |
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Let's correct some things from a few posts above. The tactical does not just get you a "trigger job". It gets you the O ring barrel, the threaded end, the adj sights to see over a suppressor, you also get a different recoil spring assembly designed to accomodate the suppressor. The USP Tactical is a superior gun, the "trigger job" is more than that. It's a match trigger that you can adjust the over travel, which can allow you to make follow up shots as fast as any 1911. The reset is very short, and if you make the over travel shorter, it's ridiculously fast. M |
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The HK USP Tactical has a lot of muzzle rise, crappy DA triger, grip like a brick and costs too much/is too large for what it is. I dont miss my Tactical. I reccomend against the Tactical/Full size USP above all HK pistols. Compacts fit your hand better and P2000 has a better trigger pull. Id still Take a Kimber or an HK Tactical if I wanted a .45 I went back to 9mm and am happier. I give up VERY little in performance and get cheaper practice, faster follow up shots, more capacity, and smaller grip. I like the P2000 and Compact equally. Being than small Id go 9mm as it will have even more muzzle flip in 40 than the fullsize 45. |
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The trigger isn't that bad on the conventional USP. For a first firearm, the Tactical is a great gun. However, I would recommend that you purchase a nice used USP and spend the difference on ammo. As a beginner, practice is more important then threaded barrels and match triggers. I would concur with Devl on the wid grip issue. Conventional USP Compacts don't have a much narrower grip, although the P2000 is much slimmer. Regarding a first gun, I would also suggest the 9mm. It's a cheaper round, which means a lot more practice. The thing about handguns, which you will learn quite quickly, is that you'll never want just one. Get good with a P2000 or other firearm, then invest in the Tactical and reap it's full benefits. |
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I bought a regular USP .45 and I've never wanted a tactical. The upgraded trigger would be nice, but the rest of the stuff I don't need. The gun already shoots better than me, so the o ring barrel is nothing to me. Also, I don't do any longer distance pistol shooting, most of it is at 7yds, with a trip out to 15 or 20 every so often. If I'm having a good day, I can put 5 or 6 rounds into 1 ragged hole at 7yds, so that's fine with me. The threaded barrel is useless to me. We can't own supressors here, and even if we could, the USP then would not fit in it's holster, and I take mine more places than the range. Also, when I do carry a pistol, it's because I don't want to carry a rifle. In other words, smaller is better. As for the sights, K.I.S.S. for me. The fixed sights on my USP have shot to POA with S&B, Winchester, and IMI ammo to date. Not to mention they are fairly snag free, it ain't broke, so I'm not gonna fix it. I'm sure the tac is a nice pistol and is "better" than the regular USP. It just has extra stuff that I don't need or want on my pistol, that's all. The only thing my USP needs is more ammo, cheaper 12rnd mags, and an aluminum or steel trigger to replace that damn polymer trigger. |
+1 might as well save extra and get the HK tac now than get the USP now and wait on the HK tac later......do it the other way around |