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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:28:54 PM EDT
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#17 fires when dropped So the $10 easy to install maritime cups, that aren't really needed is to much but sending the gun back after waiting months for a shipping label to fix a gun that shoots people when dropped is a "feature".  |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:53:32 PM EDT
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How the fuck did a CZ P10 thread turn into (another) Blain sig thread?
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Posted: 10/4/2017 4:06:04 PM EDT
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Based on a lot of responses here, I'm beginning to wonder if everyone understands how to test a trigger on a combat/defensive pistol. THE WAY TO TEST THE TRIGGER ON A DEFENSIVE/COMBAT PISTOL (Or any pistol really): Step 1 - Put your finger on the trigger and take the slack out of the trigger. Pause here, this is the point before the trigger breaks and fires the gun. Step 2 - Pull the trigger so it breaks and fires the gun. Step 3 - After firing the round, let the trigger come forward until it resets...STOP...DO NOT LET THE TRIGGER GO ANY FURTHER FORWARD PAST THE REST POINT (unless you are done and not firing another round). Step 4 - REPEAT Steps 2 through 3 |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 4:36:48 PM EDT
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There is more to a trigger than just pull weight and reset.
Plastic triggers suck, dinguses and other weird fuckery on the trigger suck. Triggers that pinch your finger when you use them suck. The CZ P10 has all of these issues. The P320 trigger has none of those issues, plus the shortest take up out of all of them, and very crisp break and short reset. It simply blows all the other striker fired pistol's triggers away and is in a class all its own. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 4:59:50 PM EDT
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There is more to a trigger than just pull weight and reset. Plastic triggers suck, dinguses and other weird fuckery on the trigger suck. Triggers that pinch your finger when you use them suck. The CZ P10 has all of these issues. The P320 trigger has none of those issues, plus the shortest take up out of all of them, and very crisp break and short reset. It simply blows all the other striker fired pistol's triggers away and is in a class all its own. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 5:43:44 PM EDT
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There is more to a trigger than just pull weight and reset. Plastic triggers suck, dinguses and other weird fuckery on the trigger suck. Triggers that pinch your finger when you use them suck. The CZ P10 has all of these issues. The P320 trigger has none of those issues, plus the shortest take up out of all of them, and very crisp break and short reset. It simply blows all the other striker fired pistol's triggers away and is in a class all its own. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 6:32:53 PM EDT
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Is the purpose of the Glock trigger safety to ensure it's drop safe? I thought it was for something else. I mean doesn't it have a firing pin block like most other autos? I would think that would be the safety that makes it more drops safe.
The trigger safety annoys me too. But I'm not saying that to promote the 320. I don't know anything about the 320. I thought this thread was about the CZ.   On the 19 I had, that trigger safety would sometimes get caught when I was inserting my trigger finger. And like any side pressure to it and it would hang up and not allow you to press the trigger. Especially if the gun was pointed in a downward direction. It was pretty dumb. I don't think that's normal and I probably should've just replaced it. Instead I took an exacto knife and modified it so it wouldn't hang up.
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Posted: 10/4/2017 6:47:06 PM EDT
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Is the purpose of the Glock trigger safety to ensure it's drop safe? I thought it was for something else. I mean doesn't it have a firing pin block like most other autos? I would think that would be the safety that makes it more drops safe. The trigger safety annoys me too. But I'm not saying that to promote the 320. I don't know anything about the 320. I thought this thread was about the CZ. On the 19 I had, that trigger safety would sometimes get caught when I was inserting my trigger finger. And like any side pressure to it and it would hang up and not allow you to press the trigger. Especially if the gun was pointed in a downward direction. It was pretty dumb. I don't think that's normal and I probably should've just replaced it. Instead I took an exacto knife and modified it so it wouldn't hang up. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 7:40:52 PM EDT
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The tabbed trigger keeps the trigger from moving back due to inertia when dropped. The firing pin block gets deactivated by the trigger in that case.
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Posted: 10/5/2017 1:32:00 AM EDT
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That is so weird of all the different triggers that kind of stuff has never affected me. I have all kinds of different pistols none bitch, the dingus does not bother me, plastic triggers work just fine, no pinching, and I do not focus on the rudimentary stuff. I focus on being a proficient shooter with whatever implement makes it into my hand. Hate to break it to you it is in the same class as every other striker fired pistol you just cannot get over needing the validation that your choice was best choice when in fact almost all the modern handguns are good choices. I hear it and see it all the time people touting how awesome their choice of brand X gun is and how much better it is than brands Y and Z. Get over yourself and stop being a gun snob. The P320 does not do anything any more special than any other handgun on the market today. The only thing it does have is you can swap the frame and slide but to be honest that is pointless to me I would rather have 4 different pistol than 1 frame insert and several different frames and slides. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is more to a trigger than just pull weight and reset. Plastic triggers suck, dinguses and other weird fuckery on the trigger suck. Triggers that pinch your finger when you use them suck. The CZ P10 has all of these issues. The P320 trigger has none of those issues, plus the shortest take up out of all of them, and very crisp break and short reset. It simply blows all the other striker fired pistol's triggers away and is in a class all its own. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 1:53:45 AM EDT
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The tabbed trigger keeps the trigger from moving back due to inertia when dropped. The firing pin block gets deactivated by the trigger in that case. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 2:50:33 AM EDT
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Real shooters who practice a lot don't need a ultra light trigger pull and a super short reset either. That stuff doesn't effect them, so why talk of trigger at all then? “Real shooters” what does that even mean... mil, comp guys, plinkers, leo, or what? All are real shooters. You are, I am, and most on the site are real shooters. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 9:56:20 AM EDT
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Not sure if serious... you are talking about triggers this is a discussion forum so since you are talking triggers that kind of becomes topic. “Real shooters” what does that even mean... mil, comp guys, plinkers, leo, or what? All are real shooters. You are, I am, and most on the site are real shooters. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 10:59:20 AM EDT
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How many USPSA GMs are using 5 pound triggers? I think you'd have a hard time finding more than a handful.
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Posted: 10/5/2017 11:41:46 AM EDT
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lol I think he means advanced shooters. I think the average shooter will notice an improvement in groups when using a good trigger. In the end, I think everyone shoots better with better triggers. That's just my opinion and experience. But having said that, I don't think super light triggers are a good idea on defensive guns. between 5 and 8 is probably ideal. IMHO. Maybe 7 should be top end. But my 442 is 12 pounds+, so...... |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 11:53:45 AM EDT
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I want to hear more about the CZ P10, and less about the Sig in this thread
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Posted: 10/5/2017 11:56:52 AM EDT
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Anybody have a G19 and a P10 to do a side by side size comparison? In pictures? Maybe it's on da youtube....
couple of them here |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 5:54:37 PM EDT
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Real shooters who practice a lot don't need a ultra light trigger pull and a super short reset either. That stuff doesn't effect them, so why talk of trigger at all then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is more to a trigger than just pull weight and reset. Plastic triggers suck, dinguses and other weird fuckery on the trigger suck. Triggers that pinch your finger when you use them suck. The CZ P10 has all of these issues. The P320 trigger has none of those issues, plus the shortest take up out of all of them, and very crisp break and short reset. It simply blows all the other striker fired pistol's triggers away and is in a class all its own. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 8:37:19 PM EDT
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I want to hear more about the CZ P10, and less about the Sig in this thread |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 9:58:08 PM EDT
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Real shooters who practice a lot don't need a ultra light trigger pull and a super short reset either. That stuff doesn't effect them, so why talk of trigger at all then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is more to a trigger than just pull weight and reset. Plastic triggers suck, dinguses and other weird fuckery on the trigger suck. Triggers that pinch your finger when you use them suck. The CZ P10 has all of these issues. The P320 trigger has none of those issues, plus the shortest take up out of all of them, and very crisp break and short reset. It simply blows all the other striker fired pistol's triggers away and is in a class all its own. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 10:04:28 PM EDT
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You people.....I was obviously sarcastically mocking his post that he tried to use to refute my argument of how great the P320's trigger is...... |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 11:50:35 AM EDT
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And I explained how it isn't.
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Posted: 10/6/2017 11:54:42 AM EDT
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I'm not liking that the frame is longer than the G19 on the P10. Or the 320 for that matter.
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Posted: 10/6/2017 12:11:51 PM EDT
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But this thread says the CZ P-10C's trigger is better. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 12:59:21 PM EDT
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And I explained how it isn't.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 2:39:11 PM EDT
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Since this thread is supposed to be about the P10C, I'll talk about my experience with it. I picked one up a couple of months back and fell for it pretty quickly. It was accurate, reliable, and the trigger/ergonomics felt so much better to me than my G19. It also shot flatter, so I felt more accurate and faster than I did with my Glock. At this point, you've probably noticed the past tense being used when talking about my CZ. I still have it, actually. It just doesn't work. At about 2,500 rounds, the firing pin sheared off. It just disappeared. That would have been annoying had it happened in the middle of a range session, but it happened during dry fire practice between range sessions. So it wasn't until the following practice that I realized that I'd been carrying a literal paperweight for several days. I was furious and switched back to the G19 immediately. The paranoia kicked in and I preemptively installed a new firing pin assembly in my Glock, even though it had done 13,000 rounds with no problem. I haven't called CZ yet, but I may sell this thing as soon as it's fixed, because there's no way I can trust it after that.
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Posted: 10/7/2017 10:43:25 PM EDT
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Since this thread is supposed to be about the P10C, I'll talk about my experience with it. I picked one up a couple of months back and fell for it pretty quickly. It was accurate, reliable, and the trigger/ergonomics felt so much better to me than my G19. It also shot flatter, so I felt more accurate and faster than I did with my Glock. At this point, you've probably noticed the past tense being used when talking about my CZ. I still have it, actually. It just doesn't work. At about 2,500 rounds, the firing pin sheared off. It just disappeared. That would have been annoying had it happened in the middle of a range session, but it happened during dry fire practice between range sessions. So it wasn't until the following practice that I realized that I'd been carrying a literal paperweight for several days. I was furious and switched back to the G19 immediately. The paranoia kicked in and I preemptively installed a new firing pin assembly in my Glock, even though it had done 13,000 rounds with no problem. I haven't called CZ yet, but I may sell this thing as soon as it's fixed, because there's no way I can trust it after that. https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4495/37506907006_9f0d443dd9_z.jpg |
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Posted: 10/8/2017 7:04:06 AM EDT
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Since this thread is supposed to be about the P10C, I'll talk about my experience with it. I picked one up a couple of months back and fell for it pretty quickly. It was accurate, reliable, and the trigger/ergonomics felt so much better to me than my G19. It also shot flatter, so I felt more accurate and faster than I did with my Glock. At this point, you've probably noticed the past tense being used when talking about my CZ. I still have it, actually. It just doesn't work. At about 2,500 rounds, the firing pin sheared off. It just disappeared. That would have been annoying had it happened in the middle of a range session, but it happened during dry fire practice between range sessions. So it wasn't until the following practice that I realized that I'd been carrying a literal paperweight for several days. I was furious and switched back to the G19 immediately. The paranoia kicked in and I preemptively installed a new firing pin assembly in my Glock, even though it had done 13,000 rounds with no problem. I haven't called CZ yet, but I may sell this thing as soon as it's fixed, because there's no way I can trust it after that. https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4495/37506907006_9f0d443dd9_z.jpg I broke a recoil spring after a range session once. Loaded up, reholstered and carried it. Thankfully i also shot a couple hours later and found out. That was unnerving. |
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Posted: 10/8/2017 8:27:15 AM EDT
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Got to shoot one awhile back. Trigger safety pinched my finger, to the point I was done after a couple mags. Mag release was also way too stiff. These are apparently common issues.
CZ needs to fix those things for it to compete. |
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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:52:42 PM EDT
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Got to shoot one awhile back. Trigger safety pinched my finger, to the point I was done after a couple mags. Mag release was also way too stiff. These are apparently common issues. CZ needs to fix those things for it to compete. |
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Posted: 10/8/2017 4:45:00 PM EDT
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Teething issues I would imagine you might start seeing revised parts on new models and parts upgrades on first releases. Just about every firearm in history sees this. Everything works great on small sample sizes during testing but in mass production you can identify the upgrades needed. Glock has had this happen with RSA, mag follower, extractors, ejectors, and etc etc. no company is immune in reality. |
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Posted: 10/8/2017 4:48:36 PM EDT
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And that's why I don't run out and buy the latest and greatest. No matter how tempting. |
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Posted: 10/9/2017 3:35:52 AM EDT
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i like it but not enough to switch from a g19.
pretty much every modern polymer 9mm similar in size to the g19 has been really nice but nothing that makes me really want to switch. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 8:41:34 PM EDT
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After reading all three pages Im still going to have to get hands on both the CZ p10c and M&P 2.0C. I cant wait to replace my glock (which Ive been using for the past 8 years).
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:21:06 AM EDT
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After reading all three pages Im still going to have to get hands on both the CZ p10c and M&P 2.0C. I cant wait to replace my glock (which Ive been using for the past 8 years). |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 11:39:35 AM EDT
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Well the king has been back at CZ for the last month!!!! Only took 50 rounds for malfunction!!!
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Posted: 10/19/2017 11:46:52 AM EDT
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All hail the king... https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P10-C-That-s-Not-Good/37-178699/
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Posted: 10/19/2017 2:36:29 PM EDT
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All hail the king... https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P10-C-That-s-Not-Good/37-178699/ |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 6:01:37 PM EDT
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But dat trigger, yo. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:12:46 PM EDT
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Never buy a new pistol designed until all the bugs gets worked out. P-10 is no exception to the rules.
Very damning video on the reliability of the p-10. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W1jZiqTad3I |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:16:28 PM EDT
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Never buy a new pistol designed until all the bugs gets worked out. P-10 is no exception to the rules. Very damning video on the reliability of the p-10. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W1jZiqTad3I |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:32:15 PM EDT
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I really wish they would quit testing guns that have been completely torn apart and cerakoted. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:51:38 PM EDT
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His problem have been experienced by other cz p-10 shooters as he stated on the video. It is common knowledge on cz boards.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:56:59 PM EDT
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Especially ones that don't appear to have a mag in them at 1:45 mark when the slide doesn't go into battery. The shelf on the bottom of the back strap on mine doesn't hang down past the magazine like it looks in the video at the time of the malfunction on the range? Does a round come out on the tap rack? I can't tell. David |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:21:03 PM EDT
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The firing pin is rotating and preventing the slide from going forward. Whether or not he has a mag in the gun has nothing to do with what he is demonstrating. You know, I can make any AR15 not go into battery everytime I want to. That doesn't mean there is a fatal flaw. David |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:55:21 PM EDT
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Yes when sitting at the table riding the slide forward. The next section on the range makes it look like the shooter is loading up preparing to fire and the slide hangs up. It sure looks to me like no mag is in the gun. I can't tell exactly but I don't see a round eject on the tap rack. Once the slide is locked to the rear and the shooter appears to hold his hand like he is catching a round every cycle after that goes into battery like it should. I wasn't there and my P10C works great but I'm not seeing a fatal flaw. You know, I can make any AR15 not go into battery everytime I want to. That doesn't mean there is a fatal flaw. David Here's the link from above regarding the broken locking block. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P10-C-That-s-Not-Good/37-178699/ |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 9:52:03 PM EDT
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No they are not. I realize you just got the M&P 2.0 and are really excited about it but it is "meh" I was excited too when I bought my 2.0 5" for a bout a day. Then I realized it doesn't do anything the Glock does. The Glock killer was the Sig P320 until all that drama. The Glock and Sig P320 were the only guns to pass the MHS trials. That means as some point during testing the 2.0 and the P10C shit the bed and were DQed. I think it speaks volumes as to the success and the performance of the Glock 19 that all these new guns keep getting compared to how well they performe. Simply put the Glock 19 is the benchmark of excellence, all the others are just trying to get there. The glock has been surpassed in these recent years while the glock remains the same as the 1980's versions for the most part. The others has made better ergonomics and triggers and even better accuracy possible in the polymer framed pistols. glock has been surpassed and is falling behind. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 9:59:12 PM EDT
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glock has been surpassed and is falling behind.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:01:29 PM EDT
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Sorry but the glock isn't the gun it once was, and it never was ergonomic. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:20:12 PM EDT
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Thank you! Ill be here till Tuesday. Try the Veal! Sorry but the glock isn't the gun it once was, and it never was ergonomic. |
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