Dallas Police Department recalls Sig P320 because it may go off when dropped - Page 2

Handguns » Handgun Discussions

Site Notices

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dallas Police Department recalls Sig P320 because it may go off when dropped (Page 2 of 2)

Posted: 8/4/2017 6:21:04 PM EDT

[#1]

Quote History

Quoted:
Did the Dallas Police Pull the Sig 320?

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:

They didn't corroborate anything.

One person saw a suspect video showing a failed drop test by an unknown individual with no context then ordered the gun pulled.

Did the Dallas Police Pull the Sig 320?

From the OP link the were pulled from DPD and the cause of it was it fired when drop. The recall is for DPD tho. If DPD p320 are stock guns, I won't be surprise if there a general recall.

Posted: 8/4/2017 6:26:33 PM EDT

[#2]

Fake News.

Posted: 8/4/2017 6:55:11 PM EDT

[#3]

Fake News!!!

Posted: 8/4/2017 8:47:35 PM EDT

[#4]

Quote History

Quoted:
But But Muh Sig! If this was reverse and it was Glock you would have the same guys arguing just opposite of this thread.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
This whole discussion is retarded. These 2 320 threads should be nuked

But But Muh Sig! If this was reverse and it was Glock you would have the same guys arguing just opposite of this thread.

Oh, I don't know. I came to criticize the P320, I will stay to post these:

Posted: 8/4/2017 9:19:11 PM EDT

[#5]

Posted: 8/4/2017 9:24:02 PM EDT

[#6]

Has anyone considered that maybe an unqualified individual removed the striker assembly and in the process caused the striker block spring to fall out? It comes out pretty easily.

Posted: 8/5/2017 12:01:31 AM EDT

[#7]

It sounds like some idiot Lt. over reacted to a simple legalese statement in an "older" owners manual.

http://www.tactical-life.com/news/sig-sauer-p320-dallas-pd/#sig-p320-2

Although I have no way of verifying the veracity of the above link.

SIG's statement today (via TTAG):
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/08/daniel-zimmerman/sig-sauer-p320-striker-fired-pistols-drop-safe/

Ultimately it sounds like some idiots making up stories about why another idiot made an idiotic move.

This is what sucks about the Information Age we're in...no one cares about whether information is good or bad, real or imagined. Everyone is just waiting for the next scandal, the next failure, the next reason to boycott or protest. People just want to be excited about something. No one can stand being bored.

Posted: 8/5/2017 7:03:39 AM EDT

[#8]

Much ado about nothing: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/04/official-statement-sig-sauer-reaffirms-safety-p-320-pistol/

quote:

I just spoke with Jordan at SIG who clarified what started this whole ball rolling downhill. An armorer at Dallas PD read an old outdated user manual which SIG has since edited. The language was confusing but caused this officer concern for the safety of the officers. DPD halted all officers from carrying the P-320 until they could contact the right person at SIG. Since the person at SIG was not in the office DPD issued the do not carry internal memo.

View Quote

Complete lack of credibility on the part of the armorer.

He now has to answer how much of a Glock fanboy he is and why his word was good enough for DPD command to issue any statement at all.

Glock deep state butthurt over the M17 contract is what I see.

Posted: 8/5/2017 7:54:58 AM EDT

[#9]

Quote History

Quoted:
Much ado about nothing: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/04/official-statement-sig-sauer-reaffirms-safety-p-320-pistol/

quote:

Complete lack of credibility on the part of the armorer.

He now has to answer how much of a Glock fanboy he is and why his word was good enough for DPD command to issue any statement at all.

Glock deep state butthurt over the M17 contract is what I see.

View Quote

Shame on Sig for having only one person who could answer this question. The way some of the other postings have read, the DPD letter went out two weeks ago. A video showing a 320 going off on the third drop was circulating since June and rumors in the LE world at the time of the FBI selection were that the 320 failed drop testing. If Sig wants to take the LE market they need to be ready to support it with parts, fast response to questions and a dynamic awareness group that would have been on this issue with an official statement on Monday and not Friday.

On top of the above, I don't really care for Sigs response of "individual attempts to perform drop tests should not be performed outside of professionally controlled environment."

Sig also seems to be hedging their language with this line about their drop safety "however,...exposure to acute conditions....repeated drops...may cause them not to work as designed." When the video circulating shows your gear failing on the third drop, language like this can be used to make a mockery of you.

I hope to see Sig smooth things out as competition in the market is a good thing, but before you try to lay blame at the feet of DPD or one guy in DPD, consider the above and see that Sig has some ownership of this event.

Posted: 8/5/2017 8:51:15 AM EDT

[#10]

Quote History

Quoted:
He now has to answer how much of a Glock fanboy he is

Glock deep state butthurt over the M17 contract is what I see.

View Quote

Talk about a stretch just to take a stab at Glock owners.

Posted: 8/5/2017 10:22:06 AM EDT

[#11]

Quote History

Quoted:

Shame on Sig for having only one person who could answer this question. The way some of the other postings have read, the DPD letter went out two weeks ago. A video showing a 320 going off on the third drop was circulating since June and rumors in the LE world at the time of the FBI selection were that the 320 failed drop testing. If Sig wants to take the LE market they need to be ready to support it with parts, fast response to questions and a dynamic awareness group that would have been on this issue with an official statement on Monday and not Friday.

On top of the above, I don't really care for Sigs response of "individual attempts to perform drop tests should not be performed outside of professionally controlled environment."

Sig also seems to be hedging their language with this line about their drop safety "however,...exposure to acute conditions....repeated drops...may cause them not to work as designed." When the video circulating shows your gear failing on the third drop, language like this can be used to make a mockery of you.

I hope to see Sig smooth things out as competition in the market is a good thing, but before you try to lay blame at the feet of DPD or one guy in DPD, consider the above and see that Sig has some ownership of this event.

View Quote

You are taking a few random stands here. I just recently went out of town for a week and came back to a bunch of emails and phone calls. Although I stated when i would be back and who they could call they didn't. So sitting is a bunch of billing questions they left on my vm, could some one in my organization answer and deal with those, yes in a hear beat, did they? No because they left it at that and when services stopped they got upset. Beyond that it's legal speak every agency does it and you can't get away from it. Every thing I own has some degree of that in the manual. All I am saying is there are very broad statements with little info to back it up. We also do not know the real time between when the memo went out and the response came in as we get info after it's gone through many channels.

Posted: 8/5/2017 12:34:47 PM EDT

[#12]

Quote History

Quoted:
Much ado about nothing: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/04/official-statement-sig-sauer-reaffirms-safety-p-320-pistol/

quote:

Complete lack of credibility on the part of the armorer.

He now has to answer how much of a Glock fanboy he is and why his word was good enough for DPD command to issue any statement at all.

Glock deep state butthurt over the M17 contract is what I see.

View Quote

It is not a complete lack of credibility. The man is responsible for the lives of his officers and the public. If he found out X brand of pistol had a flaw and could discharge if dropped then did not pull it then the next day an officer dropped his sidearm it discharged in a mall or crowded area shotting someone the Dallas city would be sued for millions when an attorney found out.

Posted: 8/5/2017 7:55:39 PM EDT

[#13]

"There have been zero (0) reported drop-related P320 incidents in the U.S. commercial market, with hundreds of thousands of guns delivered to date."

I like Sig, and own one (not a P320), but are law enforcement agencies the "commercial market"? If not, it did they choose their words carefully to reflect well on their product and be truthful, while not addressing the alleged concerns of DPD? Why not just state "there have been zero reported drop-related P320 incidents."

Posted: 8/5/2017 8:47:06 PM EDT

[#14]

Quote History

Quoted:

It is not a complete lack of credibility. The man is responsible for the lives of his officers and the public. If he found out X brand of pistol had a flaw and could discharge if dropped then did not pull it then the next day an officer dropped his sidearm it discharged in a mall or crowded area shotting someone the Dallas city would be sued for millions when an attorney found out.

View Quote

Sooooo....... nobody read the owners manual prior to adopting a service pistol?

Posted: 8/5/2017 10:01:19 PM EDT

[#15]

Quote History

Quoted:

Sooooo....... nobody read the owners manual prior to adopting a service pistol?

View Quote

Who reads manuals?

Posted: 8/7/2017 8:14:41 AM EDT

[#16]

Ruh roh

Sig Sauer P320 Fails Drop Test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

Posted: 8/7/2017 8:52:45 AM EDT

[#17]

Quote History

Quoted:
Ruh roh

View Quote

That was a respectable way to handle their findings with Sig and I do suspect Sig will correct the issue. It's interesting that the slight weight difference (6%!) would eliminate the drop-angle discharge. Well, they're still perfectly safe for the Army because we all know lanyards are SOP

ROCK6

Posted: 8/7/2017 8:56:59 AM EDT

[#18]

Quote History

Quoted:
That was a respectable way to handle their findings with Sig and I do suspect Sig will correct the issue. It's interesting that the slight weight difference (6%!) would eliminate the drop-angle discharge. Well, they're still perfectly safe for the Army because we all know lanyards are SOP

ROCK6

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ruh roh

That was a respectable way to handle their findings with Sig and I do suspect Sig will correct the issue. It's interesting that the slight weight difference (6%!) would eliminate the drop-angle discharge. Well, they're still perfectly safe for the Army because we all know lanyards are SOP

ROCK6

Would it need to be a bigger difference with a gun falling from chest hight? Or with a fully loaded magazine?

Posted: 8/7/2017 10:21:02 AM EDT

[#19]

I don't think a lighter trigger would have any negative effect on the feel or function of the trigger. It seems like it should be a pretty simple fix.

Or put a tab on it...

Posted: 8/7/2017 10:35:25 AM EDT

[#20]

If anyone has a P320 but is interested in a tabbed trigger I may have one I could be convinced to part with.

Posted: 8/7/2017 11:18:44 AM EDT

[#21]

Quote History

Quoted:
If anyone has a P320 but is interested in a tabbed trigger I may have one I could be convinced to part with.

View Quote

If these accounts are true, all P320 owners will be getting tabbed triggers in a few months.

Posted: 8/7/2017 11:22:47 AM EDT

[#22]

Quote History

Quoted:

If these accounts are true, all P320 owners will be getting tabbed triggers in a few months.

View Quote

Is the trigger a user replaceable part or will Sig be sending out boxes to tons of people for Sig to replace the trigger or will they allow users to replace the part themselves? I am genuinely asking I have never taken down a P320 subframe kit so I do not know. How hard is it to replace the trigger bow? Glock level swap or what?

Posted: 8/7/2017 1:59:54 PM EDT

[#23]

Quote History

Quoted:
Is the trigger a user replaceable part or will Sig be sending out boxes to tons of people for Sig to replace the trigger or will they allow users to replace the part themselves? I am genuinely asking I have never taken down a P320 subframe kit so I do not know. How hard is it to replace the trigger bow? Glock level swap or what?

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:

If these accounts are true, all P320 owners will be getting tabbed triggers in a few months.

Is the trigger a user replaceable part or will Sig be sending out boxes to tons of people for Sig to replace the trigger or will they allow users to replace the part themselves? I am genuinely asking I have never taken down a P320 subframe kit so I do not know. How hard is it to replace the trigger bow? Glock level swap or what?

The triggers can be swapped out at the user level, but it can be a pain in the butt. I doubt SIG will allow owners to do thier own trigger swap. Too easy to make a mistake installing the new trigger.

Wonder how the GrayGuns PELT trigger does on these drop tests?

Posted: 8/7/2017 2:13:56 PM EDT

[#24]

Quote History

Quoted:
Is the trigger a user replaceable part or will Sig be sending out boxes to tons of people for Sig to replace the trigger or will they allow users to replace the part themselves? I am genuinely asking I have never taken down a P320 subframe kit so I do not know. How hard is it to replace the trigger bow? Glock level swap or what?

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:

If these accounts are true, all P320 owners will be getting tabbed triggers in a few months.

Is the trigger a user replaceable part or will Sig be sending out boxes to tons of people for Sig to replace the trigger or will they allow users to replace the part themselves? I am genuinely asking I have never taken down a P320 subframe kit so I do not know. How hard is it to replace the trigger bow? Glock level swap or what?

Takes 2 seconds

Posted: 8/7/2017 3:43:43 PM EDT

[#25]

Quote History

Quoted:

The triggers can be swapped out at the user level, but it can be a pain in the butt. I doubt SIG will allow owners to do thier own trigger swap. Too easy to make a mistake installing the new trigger.

Wonder how the GrayGuns PELT trigger does on these drop tests?

View Quote

I should hurry up and become a Sig Armorer!

Posted: 8/7/2017 3:47:06 PM EDT

[#26]

After seeing that video I would say yeah that's a problem.

Why didn't Sig go with a tab on the trigger like Glock?

Posted: 8/7/2017 5:04:55 PM EDT

[#27]

Looks like sig shoulda stuck with the old manual and dpd shoulda stuck with the cease carrying.

Posted: 8/8/2017 12:53:07 AM EDT

[#28]

Quote History

Quoted:
Ruh roh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

View Quote

But, but, but, it's just a rumor....Tactical life says so!!!!

Posted: 8/8/2017 2:52:37 PM EDT

[#29]

Quote History

Quoted:

Would it need to be a bigger difference with a gun falling from chest hight? Or with a fully loaded magazine?

View Quote

I would assume a fully loaded magazine would add more mass to the impact, making the failure even more pronounced. My sarcasm is for the issued "pistol lanyard" would should keep the pistol from striking the ground and busting your shins; how about NOT dropping your pistol

Realistically, drops happen and I would suspect the LE community would be able to provide more occurrences as they carry far more often than most military...

ROCK6

Posted: 8/8/2017 3:03:18 PM EDT

[#30]

Quote History

Quoted:

I would assume a fully loaded magazine would add more mass to the impact, making the failure even more pronounced. My sarcasm is for the issued "pistol lanyard" would should keep the pistol from striking the ground and busting your shins; how about NOT dropping your pistol

Realistically, drops happen and I would suspect the LE community would be able to provide more occurrences as they carry far more often than most military...

ROCK6

View Quote

I have seen common people drop their side arm it is really more common than most think. One time in a movie theater a guy had his pistol fall down his shorts and strike the ground. I have seen dumbass at the range drop them and even one of my shooting friends had his compact XD fall out of his nylon drop leg holster.

Posted: 8/8/2017 6:14:45 PM EDT

[#31]

Quote History

Quoted:

The triggers can be swapped out at the user level, but it can be a pain in the butt. I doubt SIG will allow owners to do thier own trigger swap. Too easy to make a mistake installing the new trigger.

Wonder how the GrayGuns PELT trigger does on these drop tests?

View Quote

If failed every drop test. Highly unsafe. Stop using your p320 if you have a pelt installed. The videos are on one of the post.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27008-P320-drop-safety-issues/page35

Posted: 8/13/2017 2:59:26 PM EDT

[#32]

After seeing plenty of stagnant P320's for sale suddenly, I feel fortunate to have made a straight-up trade for a Gen4 G17 today. Lord only knows how long I'd have waited (or had to pay) to ship my gun to SIG for the "recall upgrade".

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dallas Police Department recalls Sig P320 because it may go off when dropped (Page 2 of 2)

Handguns » Handgun Discussions

Warning

Confirm Action

About AR15.COM

Stay Connected

Newsletter

Contact Us