Posted: 11/7/2016 2:21:37 PM EDT
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The Sphinx name..... They do a little more trigger work but if you get the P-07 you can do one of CGW's packages and make it better than the Spinx. You can even send your pistol to CGW or get one they have already tweaked.
I threw around the idea for a long time about getting a Sphinx but after I discovered from a few peoples around here the CZ was the better option. Aftermarket support by far goes to the CZ, sights CZ, holsters CZ, mags CZ but some are interchangeable. |
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Swiss made. I would pick the P07 over it even if they were the same price. Why? The Sphinx is heavier, the trigger is not appreciably better, there is jack shit in the way of holsters / accessories, and Sphinx/Kriss customer service is shitty. |
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Swiss made. I would pick the P07 over it even if they were the same price. Why? The Sphinx is heavier, the trigger is not appreciably better, there is jack shit in the way of holsters / accessories, and Sphinx/Kriss customer service is shitty. Agreed I wanted a Sphinx for the longest time but I can get a CZ cheaper, the trigger out of the box is not bad, easy to tweak and make better just by polishing and changing a few parts, and aftermarket support for CZ surpasses Sphinx by far while steadily growing as more jump on the CZ wagon. Granted CZ support is not as good as Glock but it is continually growing. |
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Agreed I wanted a Sphinx for the longest time but I can get a CZ cheaper, the trigger out of the box is not bad, easy to tweak and make better just by polishing and changing a few parts, and aftermarket support for CZ surpasses Sphinx by far while steadily growing as more jump on the CZ wagon. Granted CZ support is not as good as Glock but it is continually growing. Quoted:
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Swiss made. I would pick the P07 over it even if they were the same price. Why? The Sphinx is heavier, the trigger is not appreciably better, there is jack shit in the way of holsters / accessories, and Sphinx/Kriss customer service is shitty. Agreed I wanted a Sphinx for the longest time but I can get a CZ cheaper, the trigger out of the box is not bad, easy to tweak and make better just by polishing and changing a few parts, and aftermarket support for CZ surpasses Sphinx by far while steadily growing as more jump on the CZ wagon. Granted CZ support is not as good as Glock but it is continually growing. Groovy. Thanks guys. |
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These two guns have nothing in common other than they look similar on the outside.
I had this dilemma several months back. My decision was to buy them both. I took the Sphinx home and decided I would pick the CZ up a few weeks later. After fondling and shooting the Sphinx I went back to get the CZ. It just felt cheap compared to the Sphinx. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the CZ. By all reports they are great guns, especially for the money. But to say there is no difference between the two is troubling. They are both bullet launchers. Whether they are worth the difference in money is really up to how much that difference in money means to you. For me the difference was well worth it. I had a great experience with their customer service. I know that's an example of one, but that's all I have, and it's what happened to me not something I read about. I will give in that there is very little, read none, aftermarket support and I don't suspect there ever will be. Custom kydex and leather are readily available. You are probably never going to run to the store and find a holster for one. Night sight options are available. That's all the gun needs. |
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These two guns have nothing in common other than they look similar on the outside. I had this dilemma several months back. My decision was to buy them both. I took the Sphinx home and decided I would pick the CZ up a few weeks later. After fondling and shooting the Sphinx I went back to get the CZ. It just felt cheap compared to the Sphinx. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the CZ. By all reports they are great guns, especially for the money. But to say there is no difference between the two is troubling. They are both bullet launchers. Whether they are worth the difference in money is really up to how much that difference in money means to you. For me the difference was well worth it. I had a great experience with their customer service. I know that's an example of one, but that's all I have, and it's what happened to me not something I read about. I will give in that there is very little, read none, aftermarket support and I don't suspect there ever will be. Custom kydex and leather are readily available. You are probably never going to run to the store and find a holster for one. Night sight options are available. That's all the gun needs. Can you to quantify the difference? "just feels cheap" is difficult understand. You say the difference in price was well worth it, but what is "it" that is worth more? |
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If your prepared to spend the money on a Sphinx buy a CGW P-07 instead and have one of the ultimate poly pistols Yeah I'm not entirely convinced CGW as a package is any kind of a deal. Seems like they "bundle" their stuff to up sell; but again I'm ignorant on the subject so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I do my due diligence. |
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Yeah I'm not entirely convinced CGW as a package is any kind of a deal. Seems like they "bundle" their stuff to up sell; but again I'm ignorant on the subject so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I do my due diligence. Quoted:
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If your prepared to spend the money on a Sphinx buy a CGW P-07 instead and have one of the ultimate poly pistols Yeah I'm not entirely convinced CGW as a package is any kind of a deal. Seems like they "bundle" their stuff to up sell; but again I'm ignorant on the subject so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I do my due diligence. How else would you sell it? Bundles are kind of essential with some parts because some parts are dependent on the other. Take for instance I put the SRS package in both my CZ pistols which requires a longer firing pin with lighter hammer springs. The pro packages with hammer upgrades and trigger upgrades allow for more adjustment of the trigger and tuning. It is not a gimmick. |
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Can you to quantify the difference? "just feels cheap" is difficult understand. You say the difference in price was well worth it, but what is "it" that is worth more? Quoted:
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These two guns have nothing in common other than they look similar on the outside. I had this dilemma several months back. My decision was to buy them both. I took the Sphinx home and decided I would pick the CZ up a few weeks later. After fondling and shooting the Sphinx I went back to get the CZ. It just felt cheap compared to the Sphinx. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the CZ. By all reports they are great guns, especially for the money. But to say there is no difference between the two is troubling. They are both bullet launchers. Whether they are worth the difference in money is really up to how much that difference in money means to you. For me the difference was well worth it. I had a great experience with their customer service. I know that's an example of one, but that's all I have, and it's what happened to me not something I read about. I will give in that there is very little, read none, aftermarket support and I don't suspect there ever will be. Custom kydex and leather are readily available. You are probably never going to run to the store and find a holster for one. Night sight options are available. That's all the gun needs. Can you to quantify the difference? "just feels cheap" is difficult understand. You say the difference in price was well worth it, but what is "it" that is worth more? Fit, finish, build material, mim versus billet everything internal parts. This is my opinion only, but if I bought the CZ I would have ended up with more in it than the Sphinx. Because it would have been shipped to CGW. And at the end of the day, I would have had Sphinx money in a P07. I paid under $800 for mine. I feel it was worth it. I think when they came out they were selling for close to $1200, that's a bit of a stretch. When you consider the guns it's eally meant to compete with, $800 is not bad. |
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How else would you sell it? Bundles are kind of essential with some parts because some parts are dependent on the other. Take for instance I put the SRS package in both my CZ pistols which requires a longer firing pin with lighter hammer springs. The pro packages with hammer upgrades and trigger upgrades allow for more adjustment of the trigger and tuning. It is not a gimmick. Quoted:
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If your prepared to spend the money on a Sphinx buy a CGW P-07 instead and have one of the ultimate poly pistols Yeah I'm not entirely convinced CGW as a package is any kind of a deal. Seems like they "bundle" their stuff to up sell; but again I'm ignorant on the subject so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I do my due diligence. How else would you sell it? Bundles are kind of essential with some parts because some parts are dependent on the other. Take for instance I put the SRS package in both my CZ pistols which requires a longer firing pin with lighter hammer springs. The pro packages with hammer upgrades and trigger upgrades allow for more adjustment of the trigger and tuning. It is not a gimmick. His stuff is the real deal and the difference is huge. Not much else I can say. If you go the CGW Route and don't like it let me know I'll consider buying another CZ of his. |
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His stuff is the real deal and the difference is huge. Not much else I can say. If you go the CGW Route and don't like it let me know I'll consider buying another CZ of his. Quoted:
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If your prepared to spend the money on a Sphinx buy a CGW P-07 instead and have one of the ultimate poly pistols Yeah I'm not entirely convinced CGW as a package is any kind of a deal. Seems like they "bundle" their stuff to up sell; but again I'm ignorant on the subject so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I do my due diligence. How else would you sell it? Bundles are kind of essential with some parts because some parts are dependent on the other. Take for instance I put the SRS package in both my CZ pistols which requires a longer firing pin with lighter hammer springs. The pro packages with hammer upgrades and trigger upgrades allow for more adjustment of the trigger and tuning. It is not a gimmick. His stuff is the real deal and the difference is huge. Not much else I can say. If you go the CGW Route and don't like it let me know I'll consider buying another CZ of his. That is like asking someone if they like bacon..... Either they hate America and are a terrorist or not a terrorist. |
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How else would you sell it? Bundles are kind of essential with some parts because some parts are dependent on the other. Take for instance I put the SRS package in both my CZ pistols which requires a longer firing pin with lighter hammer springs. The pro packages with hammer upgrades and trigger upgrades allow for more adjustment of the trigger and tuning. It is not a gimmick. Quoted:
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If your prepared to spend the money on a Sphinx buy a CGW P-07 instead and have one of the ultimate poly pistols Yeah I'm not entirely convinced CGW as a package is any kind of a deal. Seems like they "bundle" their stuff to up sell; but again I'm ignorant on the subject so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I do my due diligence. How else would you sell it? Bundles are kind of essential with some parts because some parts are dependent on the other. Take for instance I put the SRS package in both my CZ pistols which requires a longer firing pin with lighter hammer springs. The pro packages with hammer upgrades and trigger upgrades allow for more adjustment of the trigger and tuning. It is not a gimmick. Exactly the example I was looking at; there wasn't anything on the site that stated that the firing pin was required for the short reset. Or why you have to buy a competition hammer spring with the pro pack; but like I said I've no idea what I'm looking at. The last CZ I had worked on was a 75B by Kieth Whaley in the '90s. Thanks for the info! |
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Everything being equal I think I would take the P07.
Better customer support. Better aftermarket. Similar performance for half the price. But the thing that really tips the scales? I have been told by a couple of sources that the finish on the Sphinx is kinda thin and delicate. I suppose you can get around this by buying a cerakoted model. The kiss of death for me though is the use of an aluminum block for the chassis, frame rails and whatnot. I have handled a Sphinx but have not shot one, quality of machining is superb. The chassis is an amazingly heavy component, but it's still made of frigging aluminum which I do not trust all that much for long term use. Even as little as I shoot. |
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Pull the slide off the P07 and poke around inside. Exactly what you would expect for a $400 eastern European tool. Not a shot at CZ, and they perform just fine, but they are not finished as nice as say a Sig or a Beretta-let alone Sphinx. have you detail stripped a P-07 yet ? I have, and saw no issues...no cruddy machining marks, or anything it's a nicely made machine 
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have you detail stripped a P-07 yet ? I have, and saw no issues...no cruddy machining marks, or anything it's a nicely made machine
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Pull the slide off the P07 and poke around inside. Exactly what you would expect for a $400 eastern European tool. Not a shot at CZ, and they perform just fine, but they are not finished as nice as say a Sig or a Beretta-let alone Sphinx. have you detail stripped a P-07 yet ? I have, and saw no issues...no cruddy machining marks, or anything it's a nicely made machine
This..... CZ of today is not a 1960's cold war CZ. Yeah they may have a few machine marks on the inside but look on the inside of a Sig/Beretta/Sphinx and guess what they do too. I own Sigs and CZ neither are cheaply made but I can own two CZ's for the price of 1 Sig..... News flash neither is made better than the other. |
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have you detail stripped a P-07 yet ? I have, and saw no issues...no cruddy machining marks, or anything it's a nicely made machine
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Pull the slide off the P07 and poke around inside. Exactly what you would expect for a $400 eastern European tool. Not a shot at CZ, and they perform just fine, but they are not finished as nice as say a Sig or a Beretta-let alone Sphinx. have you detail stripped a P-07 yet ? I have, and saw no issues...no cruddy machining marks, or anything it's a nicely made machine
Yes, well a P09. Perfectly serviceable but nothing to ooh and ah over. The plastic safety levers feel kind of cheap. |
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Yes, well a P09. Perfectly serviceable but nothing to ooh and ah over. The plastic safety levers feel kind of cheap. true " it's nothing to ooh and ah over", but it's not crude like an AK either. I have a P-07 and P-09, neither the safety or decocker are plastic on either gun 
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