Posted: 11/5/2015 9:25:22 PM EDT
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Anyone seen it yet? 8 rd 9mm single stack. 1.26" wide, 6.2" long, 5.3" high, weighs 30 ou, comes with night sights and g-10 grips.
Looks like they want to compete with the single stack market with a da/sa gun. |
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The original P225 weighed 26.1 w/o a magazine.
The new 225A1 weighs 30.5 with a magazine. I think the magazine weighs 2.5 to 2.8 ounces, so the SS machined slide adds around 2.0 ounces +/-. The P225 had a great ' feel', as the grip is more oval handle, as opposed to the P228/229 with its rounded rectangle. I'm not sure that a lot of people will care about feel, as they will see a pricey single stack that is "heavy". I hope they sell. |
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A large single stack 9mm was state of the art when Germany was looking to replace the P.38 then in use by their police.
Now? I don't see the point of it. It's too large, heavy, and, expensive for a pistol they are touting as a CCW piece. I love my 229 EE, but for carry no thanks. Same with this "225". My PPS is smaller and lighter and can carry the same number of rounds. Just another in the plethora of confusing/senseless model overlaps from Sig these days. |
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I saw this today and my question is what does the P225 do that the SIG p229 doesn't? Cost a good bit of coin, less mag capacity with not much difference in size, and basically competes with the P239. I would rather have a P229 myself the difference in size is not that much. |
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A large single stack 9mm was state of the art when Germany was looking to replace the P.38 then in use by their police. Now? I don't see the point of it. It's too large, heavy, and, expensive for a pistol they are touting as a CCW piece. I love my 229 EE, but for carry no thanks. Same with this "225". My PPS is smaller and lighter and can carry the same number of rounds. Just another in the plethora of confusing/senseless model overlaps from Sig these days. I think it was in the mid 70's when Germany solicited new 9 MM police pistols for various LE agencies (Fed, State, Local). Agencies could choose which model they preferred. H&k had the P7 squeeze cocker, Sig the P-6/P225 and Walther P-5 (think James Bond reduced size modernized P-38 with decocker). All pistols had to be within a certain size and designed to be carried safely with a round chambered. They even explored new 9 MM amunition like the MEN Quick Defense which looked like a FMJ but used a plastic cap over a hollow cavity bullet. The pistols were designed for uniform and concealed carry but prior to this time a lot of German LE were still carrying Walther PP in 7.65 (32 ACP) and a few agencies used the Walther P-1. German LE who had traditionally carried 7.65 FMJ looked at the 9 MM as a big step up in performance. Germany restricted the use of expanding ammo like JHP/JSP so they tried a few different bullet desgns to get better performance than traditional 9 FMJ. German LE used the SMG's like the US LE used shotguns in those days so the Germans wanted ammo that reliabley fed in SMG's. The best buy is to find a German Police tradein P-6/P225 which still come up for sale. For ole timers this was in the era where the New Jersey State Police transitioned away from Revolvers to the H&K P7 and had a mag pouch designed to carry four mags. |
I get what everyone is saying. What's the point? My only argument is I like single stack guns for carry guns and the more to choose from the better. I've always thought the 239 was probably the best thing going out there for a carry gun. In theory. I've never shot one though. Just fondled. One thing is that the 239 with stock grips feels kind of awkard, with it's really slim profile. Maybe this one feels a bit different????? I have no clue. But it's something to talk about. |
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A better question would be, what does it do better than the P239, especially with an MSRP north of $1K. Quoted:
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I saw this today and my question is what does the P225 do that the SIG p229 doesn't? A better question would be, what does it do better than the P239, especially with an MSRP north of $1K. The 225a is essentially a single stacked P229 with a slightly shorter barrel. I think it feels better than the P239 but this is subjective. I see it like this. Its like having a P220 in 9mm in a more reasonable size. I can see why people would say why though. |
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Quoted: The 225a is essentially a single stacked P229 with a slightly shorter barrel. I think it feels better than the P239 but this is subjective. I see it like this. Its like having a P220 in 9mm in a more reasonable size. I can see why people would say why though. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I saw this today and my question is what does the P225 do that the SIG p229 doesn't? A better question would be, what does it do better than the P239, especially with an MSRP north of $1K. The 225a is essentially a single stacked P229 with a slightly shorter barrel. I think it feels better than the P239 but this is subjective. I see it like this. Its like having a P220 in 9mm in a more reasonable size. I can see why people would say why though. True, but comparing the P225a and the P239, the 225a is taller, thicker, longer, heavier, has the same barrel length and mag capacity, AND costs $150 or so more. From the standpoint of a single stack CCW piece, I'd take the P239 every time between the two. I could see if they rolled out these new P225a's with an MSRP somewhere around $750 or so, but the P239 isn't exactly a strong mover on the market so why pay more for the P225a which is heavier, bigger in every dimension, and offers no advantages in capacity or barrel length? The surplus P6's moved like hotcakes because they were a cheap way to get into a classic Sig. These not so much. |
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People keep on thinking they have to carry the thinnest, lightest gun that can carry the most ammo.
Back in the day, some people might have bought guns simply because they liked them. Not every gun owner/shooter is interested in carrying a gun. Just look at all the goof balls that carry a 1911..... 
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