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Posted: 6/19/2017 6:22:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WILSON]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertmoon:
Having just bought TWO Caniks on a complete lark.....this is great to hear. The price is almost too good to be true. I keep waiting for something to break,..... but the things just keep going and going and going... |
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Posted: 6/19/2017 7:18:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WILSON:
Same here. I have one Turk CZ copy in 45ACP and two in 9mm (Canik & TriStar). The price is almost too good to be true. I keep waiting for something to break,..... but the things just keep going and going and going... |
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Posted: 6/19/2017 7:23:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot:
It is what has finally pushed me to buy one. The price, reliability and now proven durability. 
If I owned a firearms manufacture I would send guns to BFV to get the snot shot out of them for testing. It's no HP White but I think it is a great way to test durability. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 11:24:42 AM EDT
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Any CZ P-09's on your range? I am curious to see how those are holding up.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2017 2:34:50 PM EDT
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this is probably my favorite thread of all time.
Love hearing how well glock stands behind their products, but a little dissapointed by the fact they have had to stand behind them so much for yall. Excited to see more about the 320 and caniks. Also would love to see how the new striker fired cz holds up as well as their polymer da/sa's. if you every get p10c's, p07/09's on the line I would love to see how they fair! Keep up the great work! I'll come visit next time I find myself in Vegas! |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 3:16:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brando_05:
this is probably my favorite thread of all time. Love hearing how well glock stands behind their products, but a little dissapointed by the fact they have had to stand behind them so much for yall. Excited to see more about the 320 and caniks. Also would love to see how the new striker fired cz holds up as well as their polymer da/sa's. if you every get p10c's, p07/09's on the line I would love to see how they fair! Keep up the great work! I'll come visit next time I find myself in Vegas! |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2017 6:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unseenSNIPER:
I'm disappointed in the Gen 4s cracking so early especially since I have one milled for an RMR. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 2:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
The Canik is used every day of the week on the cheap "intro" package. We didn't want to beat up the Glock's, Sig's or Beretta's and figured for the price (wife bought quite a few as a package deal), if they didn't last very long they would still make good money and we could just dispose of them when they broke. The are still running without issues. As far as round count, I will have to do some research to see how many times that package has been sold and I can get a fairly accurate round count. V/R Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot:
Estimated daily round counts? How many rounds through them total? Thank you for your hard work and efforts in these threads. The information you have provided thus far has been invaluable. V/R Ron https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9bAORD4VKrA (Feel free to embed). Thanks again Ron! Great to hear these CZ copies are doing so well, although I am not surprised. The 75 design is, by now, universally known and respected. I expect these will turn out to be the longest-lived, most reliable guns available at Battlefield Las Vegas. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 4:19:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unseenSNIPER:
I'm disappointed in the Gen 4s cracking so early especially since I have one milled for an RMR. 
I'm admittedly weird, but over the last several years I've gone out of my way to grab NIB Gen-3's when I run across them. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 4:27:36 PM EDT
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This real world torture test involves guns that are not well maintained, hence the reason we have so many Glock
slide failures, yet the CZ and 92FS continue to perform without failures. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 7:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:
CANIK VIDEO REVIEW: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9bAORD4VKrA (Feel free to embed). Thanks again Ron! Great to hear these CZ copies are doing so well, although I am not surprised. The 75 design is, by now, universally known and respected. I expect these will turn out to be the longest-lived, most reliable guns available at Battlefield Las Vegas. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot:
Estimated daily round counts? How many rounds through them total? Thank you for your hard work and efforts in these threads. The information you have provided thus far has been invaluable. V/R Ron https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9bAORD4VKrA (Feel free to embed). Thanks again Ron! Great to hear these CZ copies are doing so well, although I am not surprised. The 75 design is, by now, universally known and respected. I expect these will turn out to be the longest-lived, most reliable guns available at Battlefield Las Vegas. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/29/2017 9:03:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Adam-Wayne:
They're using the TP9 series of Caniks. |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 3:57:23 PM EDT
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This thread is one of the best resources available on arfcom. Thanks for putting the time in.
Can we get a round count/failures update on the HK USP pistols? Are they both 9mm and 45? Also, do you guys have any MK23's on the line? |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 7:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Adam-Wayne:
They're using the TP9 series of Caniks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Adam-Wayne:
Originally Posted By Dominion21:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot:
Estimated daily round counts? How many rounds through them total? Thank you for your hard work and efforts in these threads. The information you have provided thus far has been invaluable. V/R Ron https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9bAORD4VKrA (Feel free to embed). Thanks again Ron! Great to hear these CZ copies are doing so well, although I am not surprised. The 75 design is, by now, universally known and respected. I expect these will turn out to be the longest-lived, most reliable guns available at Battlefield Las Vegas. Hopefully, Battlefield Las Vegas will soon add Canik's excellent version of the classic old CZ-75. It's a superior and strong design which will last longer than almost anything currently on the line. |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 9:36:21 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:
They chose the copy of the Smith & Wesson 99? That's a huge disappointment. Hopefully, Battlefield Las Vegas will soon add Canik's excellent version of the classic old CZ-75. It's a superior and strong design which will last longer than almost anything currently on the line. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:
Originally Posted By Adam-Wayne:
Originally Posted By Dominion21:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot:
Estimated daily round counts? How many rounds through them total? Thank you for your hard work and efforts in these threads. The information you have provided thus far has been invaluable. V/R Ron https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9bAORD4VKrA (Feel free to embed). Thanks again Ron! Great to hear these CZ copies are doing so well, although I am not surprised. The 75 design is, by now, universally known and respected. I expect these will turn out to be the longest-lived, most reliable guns available at Battlefield Las Vegas. Hopefully, Battlefield Las Vegas will soon add Canik's excellent version of the classic old CZ-75. It's a superior and strong design which will last longer than almost anything currently on the line. |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 9:47:22 PM EDT
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Meh.
A copy/clone/knock off of a Walther P99 AS. Why buy a cheap Islamic copy when you can have the real thing? |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 10:52:14 PM EDT
[#17]
So any issues with the SIG P320?
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Posted: 7/30/2017 6:42:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
So any issues with the SIG P320? V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 6:47:29 PM EDT
[#19]
I will try and update more often but just noticed that somebody bought me a Platinum Membership. Thank you VERY much to whoever did that
V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 6:49:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DanW:
While I'm curious how they'll do, and they appear to be good guns, I just won't knowingly buy a product made in that back-stabbing, underhanded, sneaky, terrorist supporting country. I don't think Americans realize what Turkey is up to these days. Even those that do probably don't know anywhere near the extent of it. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 8:14:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
No issues with the Sig but one of our Beretta 92's that was put on the line in the beginning of 2014 finally had the frame crack. V/R Ron Thank You for this thread. |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 10:18:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HendersonDefense]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cletussd:
Any idea on what the round count on the Beretta was? Thank You for this thread. I know there's SO much hate for this gun but the time on the line doesn't lie. V/R Ron |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2017 11:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We were trying to come up with a conservative number for that pistol considering that it's had two barrel replacements in it's 3+ years of service on the line. The number I'm coming up with is in the average for the high and low estimates and I would guess that this particular Beretta had a minimum of 150,000 rounds down range before cracking the slide or frame. I know there's SO much hate for this gun but the time on the line doesn't lie. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 12:01:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We were trying to come up with a conservative number for that pistol considering that it's had two barrel replacements in it's 3+ years of service on the line. The number I'm coming up with is in the average for the high and low estimates and I would guess that this particular Beretta had a minimum of 150,000 rounds down range before cracking the slide or frame. I know there's SO much hate for this gun but the time on the line doesn't lie. V/R Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By cletussd:
Any idea on what the round count on the Beretta was? Thank You for this thread. I know there's SO much hate for this gun but the time on the line doesn't lie. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 1:16:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DanW:
The Berettas just look good, too. I'm betting that much of the hate came when it replaced the 1911, which was sacred. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 7/31/2017 5:59:42 PM EDT
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I had a tp9sf-elite and move back to the G19. I'm happy to hear that the canik is doing well.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 7/31/2017 9:33:44 PM EDT
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M9 had it's growing pains. But has been figured out for a while now. Any new M9, M9A1, M9A3 will be fine.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 11:03:52 PM EDT
[#28]
Any update on the HKs you've had on the line?
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:12:05 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killingmachine123:
Any update on the HKs you've had on the line? V/R Ron |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 12:04:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
The HK has been running flawlessly and we use one with a suppressor and one without. No problems with either. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 12:37:15 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We were trying to come up with a conservative number for that pistol considering that it's had two barrel replacements in it's 3+ years of service on the line. The number I'm coming up with is in the average for the high and low estimates and I would guess that this particular Beretta had a minimum of 150,000 rounds down range before cracking the slide or frame. I know there's SO much hate for this gun but the time on the line doesn't lie. V/R Ron |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2017 10:49:39 AM EDT
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Any Walther P99's for Bond fans? If so how do they run?
Thanks so much for the info. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 11:49:05 AM EDT
[#33]
I'd be curious about the P99 myself, as I run three of them.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/6/2017 3:07:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3ACR_Scout]
[#34]
Ron,
Thanks for starting this awesome, informative discussion, and all the other ones that you've posted on this forum. I'm a latercomer to this one but just read through the whole thing over the last two days. I really appreciate your objectivity and your willingness to answer questions. I was supposed to visit Fort Irwin a couple months ago and was going to make a weekend trip up to your range, but that fell through. I hope I'll be able to get out there at some point. I don't mean to speak for Ron, but I know he's incredibly busy, and I see a lot of people repeatedly asking him about the round count of the Gen 4 Glocks that were experiencing failures over the past year. If you look back through this thread, when he started it, he was reporting Gen 3 and Gen 4 G17s failing after 100,000+ rounds. About a year ago, he started reporting that Glocks were failing unusually early after about 20,000 to 30,000. When he was asked what generation those Glocks were, he reported that they were all Gen 4s. I would suspect that as the older Gen 3s and 4s were wearing out, he was buying new Gen 4s only that were experiencing earlier failures. That seems to indicate that there was a batch or two of newer production Gen 4s that may have some difference in material (I hesitate to say "defect") that is producing weaker slides. As someone posted earlier, it would be very interesting to know the letter codes in the serial numbers of those pistols to see if they fall within a particular manufacturing timeframe. Lastly, in reference to customers wanting to shoot the newer, latest generation of Glocks, leading to heavier use of Gen 4s, I seriously doubt that most "tourist shooters" know the difference between generations. I suspect it's more likely that, as I mentioned above, the Gen 4s are replacing older Gen 3s and 4s, so those new Gen 4s make up the majority of his Glock inventory. Thanks again, Ron! |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 3:40:45 PM EDT
[#35]
PLEASE add a CZ P10C to the mix
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Posted: 8/7/2017 4:27:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cletussd]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eternal24k:
PLEASE add a CZ P10C to the mix |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 6:40:18 AM EDT
[#37]
Ron, I'm sure its here but what about Beretta px4 and/or the 92 series? How have they held up?
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:13:08 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myhatinthering:
Ron, I'm sure its here but what about Beretta px4 and/or the 92 series? How have they held up? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:45:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cletussd:
Ron has stated customers are mainly only interested in Firearms that are in movies, video games and used by the Military. 
So I am sure there is enough demand for the CZ |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:52:05 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XM21Nick:
He has already talked about the 92 . Look in the middle of page 14 . He said the frame cracked after 150,000 + rounds . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XM21Nick:
Originally Posted By myhatinthering:
Ron, I'm sure its here but what about Beretta px4 and/or the 92 series? How have they held up? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:32:57 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot:
Most of the hate comes from gunstore bullshit that gets regurgitated over and over again by people that have never even fired a Beretta M9 much less owned one. It's a proven design and combat pistol that hopefully will get the same after life the 1911 got. With companies like Wilson producing tricked out versions who knows. Maybe they will catch on. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:23:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BlitzPig]
[#42]
Much of my hesitancy about the 92 came from the experience of the Ohio Highway Patrol, who adopted the 92 in 40 after the Army chose it as the new service pistol.
The officers I talked to did NOT like the pistol at all. Poor finish, corrosion issues, and they were getting loose rapidly, according to them, so I just wrote them off till I had the chance recently to spend some time with them and found the 92 to be a very good, if overly large pistol. The moral here is one that I think carries over to all manufacturers. Scaling up a design originally meant for 9mm to 40 is a fools errand. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 12:43:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GTHKTX]
[#43]
Ron, hell of an informative thread..
Regarding your USP45s, they are known for weak mag springs, so a lot of serious HK shooters use Wolff extra-power springs to prevent mag related malfunctions. They're cheap, in case you care to consider it. Another thing regarding the USP...there is a company that makes copies of the original USP "Match" Barrel weight, like the one in my avatar picture. They're about $150 versus the near-unobtanium costs of the original. I bet you'd get a lot of mileage out of it as a "Tomb Raider" or "Underworld" movie throwback :) I posted a long time ago asking about the CZ Scorpion EVO, and at the time you had stated no problems beyond the occasional cracked mag. This still holding true? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:39:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTHKTX:
Ron, hell of an informative thread.. Regarding your USP45s, they are known for weak mag springs, so a lot of serious HK shooters use Wolff extra-power springs to prevent mag related malfunctions. They're cheap, in case you care to consider it. Another thing regarding the USP...there is a company that makes copies of the original USP "Match" Barrel weight, like the one in my avatar picture. They're about $150 versus the near-unobtanium costs of the original. I bet you'd get a lot of mileage out of it as a "Tomb Raider" or "Underworld" movie throwback :) I posted a long time ago asking about the CZ Scorpion EVO, and at the time you had stated no problems beyond the occasional cracked mag. This still holding true? |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 12:28:57 AM EDT
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Ron,
What are you doing in response to the SIG P320 problems? thanks Free |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 3:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
I don't mean to speak for Ron, but I know he's incredibly busy, and I see a lot of people repeatedly asking him about the round count of the Gen 4 Glocks that were experiencing failures over the past year. If you look back through this thread, when he started it, he was reporting Gen 3 and Gen 4 G17s failing after 100,000+ rounds. About a year ago, he started reporting that Glocks were failing unusually early after about 20,000 to 30,000. When he was asked what generation those Glocks were, he reported that they were all Gen 4s. I would suspect that as the older Gen 3s and 4s were wearing out, he was buying new Gen 4s only that were experiencing earlier failures. That seems to indicate that there was a batch or two of newer production Gen 4s that may have some difference in material (I hesitate to say "defect") that is producing weaker slides. As someone posted earlier, it would be very interesting to know the letter codes in the serial numbers of those pistols to see if they fall within a particular manufacturing timeframe. Ron, do you know the serial prefix of the Glocks that failed prematurely and did Glock do anything besides replace the slides? |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 2:09:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Ron, What are you doing in response to the SIG P320 problems? thanks Free I would imagine, for liability purposes if nothing else, that he'll send 'em all to Sig for upgrades. Since Sig swears they're safe, he can probably continue to operate them until time to box them up and ship 'em. |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 11:32:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
The HK has been running flawlessly and we use one with a suppressor and one without. No problems with either. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blain:
What are your thoughts on the Sig P320 situation? Think it's an issue at all or overblown?
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Posted: 8/18/2017 11:15:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blain:
What are your thoughts on the Sig P320 situation? Think it's an issue at all or overblown? Should be addressed asap, but 99.99% will never experience an issue. |
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